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DesmondFoster

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90. This also, is not complicated.

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:28 PM

Nov 2016

It doesn't matter if it's a true story or not, the principle is what matters and reading the responses here shows how truly divided people are when principle lands on their doorstep and challenges their particular values.

Anyone who truly believes in an inclusive and diverse country with a clear separation of church and state should understand why a symbol that celebrates a Christian holiday shouldn't be in the classroom. The point is not one that can be argued, it's literally a slam dunk.

It's the entire problem within the party in a nutshell right now. You don't get to pick and choose when to be progressive. You either are or you are not. You can't say you feel badly for someone being discriminated against and then say "aww shucks, Santa should still be allowed in there he's just fun".

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Santa Claus Banned from Oregon Classrooms [View all] philosslayer Nov 2016 OP

Isn't that special Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #1

I feel so sorry for kids today yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #17

It is much better now. More diverse. Table Nov 2016 #39

There's nothing wrong with a little childhood fun and fantasy. As for diverse, Santa lunamagica Nov 2016 #54

Not if he doesn't come to your house: In that case, it's not OK for a child at school. lindysalsagal Nov 2016 #60

This is fake news. Right wing "War on Christmas" BS. Thor_MN Dec 2016 #108

No. My school just eliminated Santa from an event. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #115

what school do you go to? snooper2 Dec 2016 #119

! bravenak Dec 2016 #126

Ok 2 things GummyBearz Dec 2016 #128

Unless you go to Hillsboro, Oregon School District School, Thor_MN Dec 2016 #127

Not talking privilege Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #71

Sorry but Santa should be allowed. yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #75

Story is not true. Please see my other replies on this thread. skylucy Nov 2016 #84

Sounds ok to me.... apcalc Nov 2016 #2

Oh, people should get a grip dhol82 Nov 2016 #3

I agree with you. LisaM Nov 2016 #5

Yes. Thanks. elleng Nov 2016 #6

Based on a saint, visits on a Christian holiday? Yep, totally secular. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #16

That might have been the historical genesis of this particular exemplar of the holiday dhol82 Nov 2016 #20

Symbol of which holiday's joy? LeftyMom Nov 2016 #24

All holidays that are celebrated in December dhol82 Nov 2016 #26

That's horseshit and you know it's horseshit. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #30

Saturnalia is also an interesting choice dhol82 Nov 2016 #28

From the North Pole, using flying reindeer jberryhill Nov 2016 #23

Do all religions have a "festive" holiday at the right marybourg Nov 2016 #29

All religions have 'festive' holidays. dhol82 Nov 2016 #40

I don't object to any. I was just marybourg Nov 2016 #48

There are celebrations that are enjoyed throughout December. dhol82 Nov 2016 #55

Okey dokey. nt. marybourg Nov 2016 #69

Human civilizations of all kinds have marked the solstices and equinoxes jberryhill Dec 2016 #113

'want to make sure all cultures and backgrounds are comfortable' elleng Nov 2016 #4

I was just at Bed, Bath and whatever. They have a Chanukah section and dhol82 Nov 2016 #9

Perfect! Wish my family were still together and had a Chanukah Bush! elleng Nov 2016 #11

Awwww! Sounds wonderful! :) dhol82 Nov 2016 #12

Fight the battles that are worth fighting. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #7

Word. Nt Quayblue Nov 2016 #94

Well said Jeezzzzzz Old Vet Nov 2016 #99

The last paragraph is sarcasm. Kingofalldems Nov 2016 #8

I did say what i mean philosslayer Nov 2016 #56

How dumb Travis_0004 Nov 2016 #10

Why are you blaming Muslims? It's usually JWs who want holidays out of the classroom. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #18

How will they be excluded! dhol82 Nov 2016 #25

JW etc kids are kept home or sent to another classroom during holiday stuff. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #27

How sad for them. dhol82 Nov 2016 #32

Birthdays too, apparently. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #36

I would hate her too. Ron Obvious Nov 2016 #80

Lol. That's how many of them reacted too. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #81

No. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #37

You know - it's their choice dhol82 Nov 2016 #44

It's not the child's choice. They're legally entitled to a public education LeftyMom Nov 2016 #47

Sorry to be coming back to this dhol82 Nov 2016 #72

I think you are deliberately fomenting anger here dhol82 Nov 2016 #34

No. Actually a surprising number of court cases keeping schools secular and non-sectarian come from LeftyMom Nov 2016 #42

Gosh - are you JW? dhol82 Nov 2016 #45

No, I'm just aware of court cases on secular public ed and their history. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #50

Interesting dhol82 Nov 2016 #57

When I was in public grade school, we started the morning with a prayer. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #102

What do you think of this case? rug Nov 2016 #62

I have no problem with smudging dhol82 Nov 2016 #76

Me either. rug Nov 2016 #85

based on my experience it has always been the JW kids who did not take part JI7 Dec 2016 #112

Actually my friend lives in a Jewish area and they have this request in her public school district lunasun Nov 2016 #64

so wrong in so many ways... handmade34 Nov 2016 #13

Totally agree. dhol82 Nov 2016 #51

THIS STORY IS NOT TRUE! If you log onto the Hillsboro School District (Oregon) website, skylucy Nov 2016 #83

From the Hillsboro School District site, this story headline is NOT TRUE. DawgHouse Dec 2016 #106

Dollars to doughnuts, the OP will not acknowledge he posted a fake story. cwydro Dec 2016 #116

Yes, it's easy to look up the truth. Media is running with a click bait headline. DawgHouse Dec 2016 #107

With over 4,700 holidays to celebrate, when would math class take place? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #123

This is the kind of shit that gets people to vote for Leontius Nov 2016 #14

Oh yeah, Republicans clean up in Portland. LeftyMom Nov 2016 #21

Seriously Calculating Nov 2016 #46

I just posted something in General Discussion to let DUers know that this story is not true. skylucy Nov 2016 #92

Thanks for the info. Leontius Nov 2016 #101

So close to posting the "Ho! Ho! Ho! Sit on my lap Johnny. . ." joke. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #15

Santa Claus, however, is a symbol of a secular tradition which is not a religious one jberryhill Nov 2016 #19

Time for FOX News to stir up their religious kooks with this story. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #22

Yup. This is the kind of silly shit that made Bill O'Reilly rich. 11 Bravo Nov 2016 #33

Yeah, like the "war on Christmas" nonsense. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #43

exactly. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #65

Yeah. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #66

Hell, it's not even so much 'trying to be secular', it's just a standard reminder to be inclusive. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #95

I agree. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #97

Yeah, aint that a kick in the pants? Church lawns aplenty and the only place suitable for a manger Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #98

Thank God the kids will be protected from Santa! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #31

I went to school in NYC in the 40's and 50's. marybourg Nov 2016 #35

This reminds me of South Park's Non-Offensive Christmas Episode. I think we just smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #38

Perfect! dhol82 Nov 2016 #77

so what about All Hallows' Eve? KewlKat Nov 2016 #41

Truly there is nothing more sacrosanct than Santacon. nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #49

Thank you for reminding me! dhol82 Nov 2016 #78

Just avoid LES, EVil, and Billyburg nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #89

They are generally all over the West Village also. dhol82 Dec 2016 #117

Sheesh what horseshit. Santa is such a fucking threat to safe spaces..that whole thing about jmg257 Nov 2016 #52

horseshit is right. Namely, this "libruls ban santa" horseshit being pushed in this story. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #59

Story is not true. (I just posted in General Discussion to let people know.) skylucy Nov 2016 #93

OH NO Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #53

"It really went out as a notification to staff, not even parents" Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #58

Santa Claus is a creation of Coca-Cola. Less soft drinks the better. tenderfoot Nov 2016 #61

What flame baiting bullshit tenderfoot Nov 2016 #63

Pretty ironic, from my standpoint. Paladin Nov 2016 #67

Santa Claus is a great tool for teaching kids not to believe all the BS that adults are pushing FarCenter Nov 2016 #68

My family members who were most susceptible to believing in Santa Claus became... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #79

Not surprised dhol82 Nov 2016 #87

Exactly. Kids should be skeptical of tales of invisible or unseen beings with magic powers Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #96

That's too bad... Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #70

Eh. I grew up on Long Island in the 60s and 70s. We sang lots of songs, including phylny Nov 2016 #73

My school did that when I was in 2nd grade - in 1973 cyberswede Nov 2016 #74

THIS STORY IS NOT TRUE! If you log onto the Hillsboro School District (Oregon) website, skylucy Nov 2016 #82

Lol, that figures! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #86

Huh, that's so weird... Dr. Strange Dec 2016 #118

This has been debunked. It is not true. And now you know it, and should take this down. Squinch Nov 2016 #88

What, and deviate from his loop? Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #100

This. cwydro Dec 2016 #120

At least he's taken a break from telling us that all women should be wearing hijabs or burkas. Squinch Dec 2016 #124

Lol! cwydro Dec 2016 #125

This also, is not complicated. DesmondFoster Nov 2016 #90

Guess I'm not a progressive then. Thanks for letting me know. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #103

You're welcome? DesmondFoster Dec 2016 #109

Sorry, but I just don't give a flying fuck what strangers on the internet think about me anymore. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #111

Santa is a Coca-Cola advertising vehicle, and does not represent "a Christian holiday" jberryhill Dec 2016 #114

Turns out this story is more fake news CanonRay Nov 2016 #91

we should have 'Draconian Claus' instead NRQ891 Dec 2016 #104

Don't kill a tree for Jesus. Coyotl Dec 2016 #105

Didn't we see this in a South Park episode? jmowreader Dec 2016 #110

Story is not true. Santa wasn't banned at all. MineralMan Dec 2016 #121

What's important to the focus on is of course, what any school district is or is not celebrating LanternWaste Dec 2016 #122

in principle, you're right. Thing tho is that Christianity is kind of the majority culture TuslaUltra Dec 2016 #129