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Jake Stern

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107. I agree with the OP in that regard

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:15 PM

Dec 2016

Sadly many naive but well meaning folks think that Fascism will just magically be voted away. Generally there two ways to rid a country of the fascist parasite: revolution or destruction.

It took bombing Germany nearly into the Stone Age to drive out the fascists and a full scale invasion of Italy to do the same.

Even in instances where fascists give up power it's never completely. Pinochet got a lifetime Senate appointment and control of the military in exchange for "graciously" stepping down after losing the popular vote. Francisco Franco in Spain directed that power go to Prince Juan Carlos upon HIS DEATH. Even then the entrenched fascists in the military and police attempted coups to stop the transition to democracy.

Speaking of Chile and Spain look at the nostalgia that is bubbling up for the old regimes. That wistful backward glance toward's the time when the generalissimo ran things and "when we had good paying jobs, there was no crime and people knew their place."

Ring any bells?

It may take the USA crashing and burning before people wake up to what has happened to them. That hangover ain't gonna be pretty.

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So, this is how it ends. Lets face it, barring a massive revolt, this country is finished. [View all] kydo Nov 2016 OP

"I don't want to be an American any more." Okay. That's an option. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #1

I agree with about seventy percent of what you write but I think we can make gains in 018 and 020. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #2

How? The new fascist party will be passing more voter suppression laws. kydo Nov 2016 #9

How? ananda Nov 2016 #19

The "courts" are going to take away our right to vote? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #51

The courts have been largely toothless in the battle against voter suppression Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #70

Trump blows. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #74

If we are counting on the courts to save us, I predict a continuation of the current trend Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #75

I think he is going to Doreen Nov 2016 #82

they can't take over the courts that fast treestar Nov 2016 #86

in 2018, perhaps a bit in the House, but the Senate is a nightmare Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #27

There is the Trump factor especially if they take on Social Security and Medicare. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #73

If they do that they will have touched the third rail treestar Nov 2016 #87

I think they might go for it. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #95

why? Because of the particular seats that are in play then? Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #129

Odds are very good dems will lose the senate even more BlindTiresias Dec 2016 #137

looks like the real problem is a lot of Dem seats don't have an incumbent Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #141

I thought so until I returned to DU post-election and found 75% of users want to change nothing. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #33

I agree. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #46

Will they vote Democratic again if we just stop calling them names? Aristus Nov 2016 #79

Stop insulting them is step 1 GummyBearz Dec 2016 #144

+1000 awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #90

Totally agree with this. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #91

"New campaign tactics, new type of candidate"??? heaven05 Dec 2016 #111

It appears if we don't all agree that Bernie should have been the candidate we are doomed!!!! n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #139

At the end of 4 years everything will kacekwl Nov 2016 #48

Then we should all kill ourselves. Death is preferable to living like serfs. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #50

I seriously thought we'd make gains this go around.......and now with Rojo keeping his d*mn a kennedy Dec 2016 #96

Two types of dumbasses are responsible for President Donald Trump: HughBeaumont Nov 2016 #3

Add a third dumbass: TrishaJ Nov 2016 #39

I was about to pipi_k Nov 2016 #42

Do you know how the electoral college works? sylvanus Dec 2016 #98

Yes, I know how the Electoral College works. TrishaJ Dec 2016 #114

easy path is to quit and run...dont worry plenty of us will remain to take our country back beachbum bob Nov 2016 #4

Your post naively assumes there will be free and fair elections. You are KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #7

or refer to this quote bdamomma Nov 2016 #29

Can't disagree with the OP Loge23 Nov 2016 #5

This is what a one-party state looks like. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #6

"I will enjoy watching the USA crash and burn" cwydro Nov 2016 #8

I agree with the OP in that regard Jake Stern Dec 2016 #107

You know California won't really leave right? texasmomof3 Nov 2016 #10

One Hope Is That Trump And The Repugs Will Ultimately Piss Off.... global1 Nov 2016 #13

Elected "thugs" will blame Democrats GWC58 Nov 2016 #54

.................... bdamomma Nov 2016 #68

You are an American. Never say that you're not. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #11

But keep in mind that it is extremely difficult Grammy23 Nov 2016 #12

We are leaderless, following our own conscience. That much is true. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #25

Small things add up ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #92

Good post.(eom) socdem Dec 2016 #97

to me it is worse than that hfojvt Nov 2016 #60

We can't give up or give in Trekologer Nov 2016 #20

Exactly. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Dec 2016 #113

Are you kidding me? Don't want to be an American anymore... lonestarnot Nov 2016 #14

And do what? kydo Nov 2016 #32

I was thinking along your lines Generator Nov 2016 #85

yea, but we know how Hitler ended up bdamomma Nov 2016 #69

Yes, we know...but at what a cost...! First Speaker Dec 2016 #104

Bye nini Nov 2016 #15

Those who voted for him Turbineguy Nov 2016 #16

Good luck - and God speed. jmg257 Nov 2016 #17

Which country? SHRED Nov 2016 #18

Where to go Loge23 Nov 2016 #26

Indeed, the rest on the Anglophone countries (I am in the UK) Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #34

We looked at NZ and Canada SHRED Nov 2016 #35

unless you can qualify under one of the occupational shortage schemes your best shot Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #45

but again, on the other hand bdamomma Nov 2016 #71

Radical Islamic Terrorists SCVDem Nov 2016 #21

I agree Botany Nov 2016 #22

Only ONE chance to stop this coup from being successful: Martial Law. But Pres Obama is not BlueCaliDem Nov 2016 #81

This OP probably states the case better than I could and I am afraid I totally agree. world wide wally Nov 2016 #23

I agree I'm waiting for the inevitable Nuclear War that's coming nt maryellen99 Nov 2016 #24

. sarisataka Nov 2016 #28

2018 election AJT Nov 2016 #31

Instead of a quixotic move across the whole marybourg Nov 2016 #36

Or stay in Central Florida where you're most needed? nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 #37

I don't want to agree with you, PatSeg Nov 2016 #38

Make sure to apply for your passport NOW! WhiteTara Nov 2016 #40

Ditto cilla4progress Nov 2016 #41

to quote T.S. Elliot Javaman Nov 2016 #43

End of the road mikehiggins Nov 2016 #44

So....here we are Bayard Nov 2016 #47

I have some suggestions. First not one cent to the government. kydo Nov 2016 #59

"Do NOT pay taxes".... that will end very very badly Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #72

Unless you're a wealthy orange piece of shit. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #78

touche' Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #80

Is this a formal declaration that YOU will not pay taxes? Marengo Dec 2016 #99

We are hurple Nov 2016 #49

This is utter nonsense mythology Nov 2016 #52

Plus One DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #55

Exactly. I went from the worst funk for months after Kerry was defeated. This time, I felt awful Hoyt Nov 2016 #57

HO-LEE Crap sarisataka Nov 2016 #62

Hope that doesn't mean we are both wrong. Hoyt Nov 2016 #63

. sarisataka Nov 2016 #66

This Andrew Jackson redux Generic Brad Nov 2016 #89

I'm downsizing. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #53

I heard this same lament in 2000 as well. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #56

I don't understand people who can't see the difference between George Fucking Bush and Trump Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #76

one started a war with no convictions bdamomma Dec 2016 #102

What kind of a fucking argument is this? Cosmocat Dec 2016 #140

lol, man you know this was going to happen okieinpain Nov 2016 #58

Maybe. moondust Nov 2016 #61

fuck that Skittles Nov 2016 #64

This is exactly how we have felt in WI for the last 6 years jodymarie aimee Nov 2016 #65

If the revolution fails or fails to materialize and freedom begins to fade. Ligyron Nov 2016 #67

To me the scariest thing about this election was how well hate sold. Initech Nov 2016 #77

I totally understand Desert grandma Nov 2016 #83

It Will Happen Someday colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #84

No stick with us treestar Nov 2016 #88

So, no need to hang around here anymore. See ya... brooklynite Dec 2016 #93

The GOP completely outsmarted us in 2010 in large part because we didn't fight. Hamlette Dec 2016 #94

I think a civil war is coming soon or later. Cobalt Violet Dec 2016 #100

A tinder box Loge23 Dec 2016 #106

The only existential threat is people like you Taitertots Dec 2016 #101

It is already heaven05 Dec 2016 #109

K&R bdamomma Dec 2016 #103

From what I'm learning voter suppression cost Clinton the election. jalan48 Dec 2016 #105

That's kind of the opposite of what is needed. mahina Dec 2016 #108

great OP heaven05 Dec 2016 #110

Politics are like a pendulum A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #112

your post makes me hopeful bdamomma Dec 2016 #115

Union burying ground struggle4progress Dec 2016 #116

Diggers' Song struggle4progress Dec 2016 #117

Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around struggle4progress Dec 2016 #118

Sons of Molly Maguire struggle4progress Dec 2016 #119

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Song of The Leaders struggle4progress Dec 2016 #122

Miner's Lifeguard struggle4progress Dec 2016 #123

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Eye On The Prize struggle4progress Dec 2016 #126

Easy to run....so good luck to you and others who think the same beachbum bob Dec 2016 #127

Song of the Partisan struggle4progress Dec 2016 #128

Battle of Blair Mountain struggle4progress Dec 2016 #130

Somewhere Over The Rainbow struggle4progress Dec 2016 #131

Roll Down the Line struggle4progress Dec 2016 #132

This is what they did to Obama. HassleCat Dec 2016 #133

Old man river struggle4progress Dec 2016 #134

Death of Harry Simms struggle4progress Dec 2016 #135

Jesus. We survived Dubya and Dick Fucking Cheney... SMC22307 Dec 2016 #136

Bush and Cheney did not have nearly the degree of control Trump does. BlindTiresias Dec 2016 #143

Oh, I'm well aware of the "bleeding out" factor. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #145

Little Light of Mine struggle4progress Dec 2016 #138

I hear you... Joe941 Dec 2016 #142