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LWolf

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64. I don't think he's wrong.

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:01 AM

Dec 2016

It's a pretty well-entrenched pattern here at DU: when public figures say something bad about Republicans, they are heroes. If they have the temerity to point out Democrats' flaws, they are goats. Tarnishing the heroes' halos is simply not allowed, unless it's a primary.

The real world simply isn't like that. The Democratic Party would be healthier and more successful if party members acknowledged reality.

Jon Stewart is neither my hero nor my goat. He is a public talking head that I mostly enjoy listening to.

And, btw, the irony in your OP is quite strong, since you've offered evidence to prove his point. Your rant is nothing if not tribal.

But for Stewart to sit here and play the "both sides do it" card at this point, to pretend that there is somehow equal blame here, that both sides "have become tribal", that Trump is merely to us what Obama was to the right, and that we on the left should just simmer down and be good liberals and take the high road and make nice and the best of it is infuriatingly shortsighted and idiotic.

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Wow, never thought I'd say this... [View all] thejoker123 Dec 2016 OP

I hate to say it... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #1

And had good writers. brush Dec 2016 #31

Exactly. Nt Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #34

Yup. like Samantha Bee. Her show now is fantastic. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #36

John Oliver too! mountain grammy Dec 2016 #60

Yes, John Oliver is brilliant. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #61

That is like an attack on the Democratic Party. kentuck Dec 2016 #2

So you have never attacked a democrat? thejoker123 Dec 2016 #9

Maybe he's just less zero/one thinking than you. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2016 #3

or.. .or maybe the false equivalency shit is irrationaly false on its face? It is...no one is going uponit7771 Dec 2016 #6

So Democrats are no different angrychair Dec 2016 #38

Thank you! thejoker123 Dec 2016 #40

Exactly... JCinNYC Dec 2016 #46

That wasn't what was said by me, or by Stewart. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2016 #50

Very good talking point and factual. JimBeard Dec 2016 #59

he's never been as liberal as people think and has always engaged in stupid both siderism Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #4

Yep. He started pissing me off long ago with his Solomon Dec 2016 #26

He played a character on his show and pandered to his left leaning audience. Fla Dem Dec 2016 #65

Someone has definitely lost it. n/t demmiblue Dec 2016 #5

I think Jon Stewart is basically a good guy, but ... dawg Dec 2016 #7

It's easy for rich people to act this way. MadamPresident Dec 2016 #8

Yeah look at Caitlyn Jenner. Initech Dec 2016 #25

She is privileged and lives in a bubble (which is good for her) Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #41

Excellent, and sadly accurate post. Welcome to DU. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #32

Maybe he was threatened to "tone it down." You never know, property in Colts Neck, NJ would be a monmouth4 Dec 2016 #10

He's a rich rich. Who cares what he says. Free speech thingy. Better exercise while still can. lonestarnot Dec 2016 #11

I too tell people with different opinions to "fuck off." LanternWaste Dec 2016 #12

Well by all means... thejoker123 Dec 2016 #13

I don't read it as a both-sides-do-it. Orsino Dec 2016 #14

I agree. nini Dec 2016 #16

Whoever called it painful truth is probably right. Orsino Dec 2016 #17

Comparing, let's say, believing in banning all Muslims... thejoker123 Dec 2016 #18

Conflating Democratic with liberal is part of the problem... Orsino Dec 2016 #20

I think that the entire premise of your point thejoker123 Dec 2016 #22

"Blaming" for what? Orsino Dec 2016 #24

Huh? Stewart's comments were entirely thejoker123 Dec 2016 #33

Liberals and Democrats need to do some soul-searching, period. Orsino Dec 2016 #42

On this I can not agree more. thejoker123 Dec 2016 #43

When Trump takes healthcare away from millions, when all of CMS is privatized, you remember Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #47

Thank you blue cat Dec 2016 #63

Stewart's messaging has often failed in the clutch ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #15

Agreed. It's not "righteous" to thejoker123 Dec 2016 #19

Yes! The Rally to Restore Sanity was a disappointing missed opportunity JaneQPublic Dec 2016 #21

Good grief Separation Dec 2016 #48

Ha! Good point. JaneQPublic Dec 2016 #49

Unrec. progressoid Dec 2016 #23

He's a lofty individual who likes to portray himself as being above it all. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #27

I'm sick of this "we all must get along" message. Initech Dec 2016 #28

Yeah I mean there's no tolerating thejoker123 Dec 2016 #37

To me, he hit the nail squarely on the head!! Roland99 Dec 2016 #29

It's an insulting and desperate false equivalence. thejoker123 Dec 2016 #39

He's a comedian oberliner Dec 2016 #30

Stewart is part of the elite SHRED Dec 2016 #35

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #44

I thought fuck John Stewart following his big rally in DC Politicub Dec 2016 #45

The Kid Rock performance sealed it for me. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #51

"Half a kitten isn't half as cute, it's a bloody mess". HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #52

exactly right ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #54

Amen. thejoker123 Dec 2016 #56

Well said Hugh! Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #67

Even in his heydey he would occasionally talk silliness. Lesson here is... JHan Dec 2016 #53

I think a parallel can be drawn between Stewart, Chappelle, Trevor Noah, and other comedians. tandem5 Dec 2016 #55

Well said. Seems simple enough doesn't it? thejoker123 Dec 2016 #57

I've never liked his false equivalency: can't be funny if it's not true. betsuni Dec 2016 #58

Agreed. But our group is dwindling. thejoker123 Dec 2016 #62

I don't think he's wrong. LWolf Dec 2016 #64

lol, you need evidence? thejoker123 Dec 2016 #66

Nope. LWolf Dec 2016 #68