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29. the problem I have with restricting discussion of postmortem

Reply to spooky3 (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:31 AM

Dec 2016

...when those looking to shape our future agenda are making so many different assumptions about the vote.

I'm also concerned about giving recognition to the contingent of voters who were the most dependable, and that we don't do what we always do and take them for granted by reaching for people who weren't looking for a reason to vote for our party at all.

And ffs, is there ANY candidate who could generate the numbers Barack Obama did? Well, Hillary's popular vote is coming damn close!

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Here's the thing about our party eating their hearts out about not appealing to the working-class [View all] bigtree Dec 2016 OP

So, people with irrational, ignorant fear of the 'other' pangaia Dec 2016 #1

right bigtree Dec 2016 #2

I really don't know what the answer is at this point. pangaia Dec 2016 #4

Not really Bear Creek Dec 2016 #3

Exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #5

'Barack Obama's result' bigtree Dec 2016 #7

Yes Obama turned out more black voters and Trump tapped into racism portlander23 Dec 2016 #8

Barack Obama was a unique phenom in politics bigtree Dec 2016 #9

Sure portlander23 Dec 2016 #10

well bigtree Dec 2016 #13

Again, the exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #14

I don't think that's true bigtree Dec 2016 #15

The Numbers: How Hillary Clinton Lost portlander23 Dec 2016 #17

you're back to making broad assumptions from overall turnout bigtree Dec 2016 #19

Nope portlander23 Dec 2016 #20

it's just not suprising to me at all that Hillary was less popular than Barack Obama bigtree Dec 2016 #21

Agree. Also, 1) at the current count per Cookpolitical.com, she has almost as many votes as Obama spooky3 Dec 2016 #22

No one is denying misogyny or racism portlander23 Dec 2016 #24

If you look at other threads posted here, you will see substantial evidence that the economic issues spooky3 Dec 2016 #26

Sure portlander23 Dec 2016 #30

the problem I have with restricting discussion of postmortem bigtree Dec 2016 #29

We don't need to make assumptions, we have the exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #23

Exit polls as based on self-reports. What you should be relying upon is the actual votes. No one spooky3 Dec 2016 #27

Wha? portlander23 Dec 2016 #31

using old data and changing the goalposts -- not a winning argument. spooky3 Dec 2016 #28

These are 2016 exit polls. portlander23 Dec 2016 #32

This article, written Nov. 9, right out of the gate gets a critical assumption WRONG. spooky3 Dec 2016 #25

The trends in the exit polls aren't going to change portlander23 Dec 2016 #34

so right!!! where's the class analysis? MadLinguist Dec 2016 #33

Right, The Deplorables Went For Trump In A Big Way DallasNE Dec 2016 #6

Yes, thank you! raging moderate Dec 2016 #16

The term 'working class' is very ironic being Trump won in areas with higher unemployment RAFisher Dec 2016 #18

Trump won because of bigotry and ignorant, mean fear and resentment. yardwork Dec 2016 #11

yes. they are racists. DesertFlower Dec 2016 #12