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RazBerryBeret

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53. the bigger issue (IMO)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 01:08 PM

Dec 2016

is that we lost to such a crappy candidate.
Say what you want but a Party of the People would have known where the pendulum was swinging and that the working class wanted to cast a vote for a difference/change even anti-gov't. There were numerous occasions were we could have taken a pulse and regrouped but we didn't.

61 million people voted for the least experience presidential candidate ever. You can't blow them all off by saying they aren't "the people". There is obviously a serious problem here; you can choose to say there isn't and just keep on keeping on, but I plan to do all i can to figure it out and help solve it.

Related info: CNN has a special tonight on Trump Voters in Ohio (I'm a Buckeye), I think this will be eye opening for some of us, from what I've seen so far it is NOT what you'd expect to see and hear.

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Sanders: We need to push the Democratic Party to once again be the party of the people [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #1

Gee, I can't just vote in an online poll? brooklynite Dec 2016 #48

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Don't forget the accusations! HassleCat Dec 2016 #55

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Yep kcdoug1 Dec 2016 #83

The party is driven by the grassroots. Single Women, POC, LGBT.. you know the people who actually boston bean Dec 2016 #2

Exactly boston.. we are the party of the People. I don't know Cha Dec 2016 #4

They came out to vote for President, but the problem is they don't come out for the mid-terms and putitinD Dec 2016 #5

Yeah, they don't vote in the midterms but that doesn't Cha Dec 2016 #6

it sounds like you agree with Sanders ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #24

the bigger issue (IMO) RazBerryBeret Dec 2016 #53

They have something against the principles of the base of the party that prevents them boston bean Dec 2016 #15

we can't win anymore, because our side thinks they only have to get off their butt once every 4 year putitinD Dec 2016 #16

Solid message democrank Dec 2016 #3

So Skidmore Dec 2016 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #8

Throwing bombs at democrats seems pretty anti democratic party. boston bean Dec 2016 #14

I don't know about you, but I have calm conversations with people I don't have JCanete Dec 2016 #77

Throw bombs? elleng Dec 2016 #79

He doesn't have the right logo on his jersey. QC Dec 2016 #17

Bernie had a chance to join and declined...so he is not a Democrat...and personally I wish he would Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #20

And we all know how important "moving on" is to you, don't we? QC Dec 2016 #22

I would like to move on with Democrats making decisions for the party... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #37

wow, that's some serious bullshit ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #25

I am more concerned with winning than the party's soul...whatever that means. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #35

that's fine, I guess. ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #36

Until people stop looking for 'exciting' and vote for the candidate that has Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #40

Also, 'exciting' is subjective. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #41

your mileage may vary, of course. ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #45

Commercial branding lacking any objective predicate often results in a variance of mileage. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #68

THANK YOU, ProfessorPlum. elleng Dec 2016 #81

And you could not elect a Democrat with Sander's ideology in WVA...if you tried Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #23

It was apparently important enough to him *not* to wear it. Maven Dec 2016 #82

Hence, his repeated refusal to join the Democratic Party until and unless it suited his own needs LanternWaste Dec 2016 #66

He was elected to the senate as an independent ThirdEye Dec 2016 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #9

sorry...no he is not...if we follow his advice...consider he could not win a Democratic primary with Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #21

what we could do is win through STRENGTH! ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #28

I'm gonna need some proof for those claims. boston bean Dec 2016 #44

open your blessed eyes ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #46

We need gobs of money and influence. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #10

Oh yawn. Loki Dec 2016 #11

Hillary Clinton Is For THE PEOPLE, John Lewis is FOR the People, Cha Dec 2016 #12

"substantive proposals" BainsBane Dec 2016 #13

I remember this. bravenak Dec 2016 #51

*word* so true! n/t taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #69

. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #18

Why does sanders believe that he a non-Democrat has any right to advise the Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #19

Why did a millionaire corporatist "Goldwater Girl" think she could be a Democratic President? sylvanus Dec 2016 #86

reminds me of the make American great nonsense bigtree Dec 2016 #26

THANK YOU! Cha Dec 2016 #30

Thank you, and that is the crux of his divisiveness. He tries to co-opt factions of R B Garr Dec 2016 #73

thank you. tandem5 Dec 2016 #87

He's right. That's why renominating Pelosi was such a big mistake. Renew Deal Dec 2016 #27

Who is "we?" Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #29

Probably these people portlander23 Dec 2016 #31

Too bad arenas don't vote. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #32

Doesn't look like 65 million to me. n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #34

Is that the running tally of how many votes it takes to lose the presidency? portlander23 Dec 2016 #39

That number was "just enough" ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #56

He had big rallies but lost by millions of actual votes. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #42

He sure does talk a lot for a guy that immediately unbecame a Democrat... Historic NY Dec 2016 #33

yup Skittles Dec 2016 #60

Sanders is right. The Democratic Party saltpoint Dec 2016 #38

I will listen when he becomes a Democrat...not until. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #43

Amen. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #47

You may be exhibiting the saltpoint Dec 2016 #63

+1000 Maven Dec 2016 #80

Yep. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #62

Nicely put. Parties evolve. We also saltpoint Dec 2016 #64

Bernie for 2020! Joe941 Dec 2016 #49

He's right. nt Autumn Dec 2016 #52

Yes, he is. N/T potone Dec 2016 #70

The Democratic Party is the Party of the People, BS. 65 Million People Cha Dec 2016 #54

Too Simple, Cha ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #57

We lost to a guy that the M$M gave Billions of $$$$ in free air time Cha Dec 2016 #59

No Argument From Me ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #67

the problem here is Skittles Dec 2016 #61

"Once again"? Huh? DanTex Dec 2016 #65

yeah I wondered but there's a purpose here.. JHan Dec 2016 #76

Democrats ARE ALREADY the "party of the people" Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #71

that's certainly their brand ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #75

More often than not IMHO Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #89

Isn't he on a self-promoting book tour? R B Garr Dec 2016 #72

I think it's actually a "thank you" tour tandem5 Dec 2016 #85

Waitaminute. You're suggesting that *Sanders* is just in this for the money... Marr Dec 2016 #90

As much as I liked him more than Hillary NRQ891 Dec 2016 #78

He could start by changing his (I) to a (D) or is that like totally selling out to the man? tandem5 Dec 2016 #84

HE MEANS RACIST WHITE MEN. - The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #88

Locking mcar Dec 2016 #91