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3. Moving left sounds good to ideologues ...

Reply to workinclasszero (Original post)

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 11:36 AM

Dec 2016

It's tempting, considering the amount of anger over the election, but the important question is "is it a winning strategy for Democrats?" Is it something pragmatic? The important thing is winning, not going down in another righteous defeat. Sometimes, retreat and de-empathization are just better strategies when it comes to the long term. If you don't win, you don't accomplish anything.

The contempt for moderates is self-defeating considering that moderates are the second-biggest self-described voting bloc in the U.S., just behind Conservatives and far ahead of liberals. Liberals alone just can't win elections outside a few geographic areas. The 2018 election is already a potential disaster for Democrats, entrenching ourselves further in liberal talking points isn't going to win the states that are up for grabs in the Senate, which are mostly in states that voted solidly Trump.

Remember, the goal is winning, not being right.

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Democrats must own their values, Tea Party-style, not shift even more toward the mushy middle [View all] workinclasszero Dec 2016 OP

K and r dembotoz Dec 2016 #1

yup sfwriter Dec 2016 #2

Moving left sounds good to ideologues ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #3

Welcome to DU--you make some fair points. MADem Dec 2016 #4

That's true ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #5

Clinton's numbers keep going up, so that "underperformed Obama" MADem Dec 2016 #7

Clinton did underperform ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #8

Did she actually LOSE those states, though? MADem Dec 2016 #10

I'm more inclined to accept ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #13

You haven't noticed what's happening in Detroit? nt MADem Dec 2016 #24

I haven't been paying attention ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #25

I'd urge you to do some digging. MADem Dec 2016 #30

Again, there's no smoking guns ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #31

In Detroit, Michigan there appear to be discrepancies in the majority of vote counts pnwmom Dec 2016 #34

It's not fair to compare her to Obama because the courts pnwmom Dec 2016 #33

Agree with most of your posts, but disagree. We now know Hortensis Dec 2016 #38

Acting like Republicans isn't working for us Bettie Dec 2016 #6

Who said we had to act like Republicans? ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #11

Where are you getting those figures? MADem Dec 2016 #14

They are hypothetical ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #20

Come on, now--that's absurd. MADem Dec 2016 #23

Numbers don't lie. ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #35

Excuse me, you gave me hypothetical numbers, then you say "Numbers don't lie?" MADem Dec 2016 #39

Trump absolutely did not get 28 percent of the Latino vote. That article sites the exit polls, StevieM Dec 2016 #46

Many right wing websites are pushing these numbers, and they're nonsense. MADem Dec 2016 #47

I take that poll with a spoonful of salt ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #49

Fine, but the numbers we are talking about are the exit polls, which we know weren't right. StevieM Dec 2016 #50

The goal is not winning by moving to the right! guillaumeb Dec 2016 #54

I wouldn't call moving to the middle the same as moving to the right. ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #63

Being Republican Lite is a bad strategy. backscatter712 Dec 2016 #62

Owning one's values and subscribing to gridlock are not the same. LAS14 Dec 2016 #9

The message should be catered to the region a candidate is running in. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #12

That' the best thing ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #15

This, exactly! When the fallout from their actions hits the marginal Twitler voter Squinch Dec 2016 #16

Are you under the impression that the "angry at the Establishment" crowd really wants Single-Payer? brooklynite Dec 2016 #18

I'm under the impression that when the angry at the establishment crowd can't get Squinch Dec 2016 #19

If you were right, I'd say most of those factors applied this year...who'd they pick? brooklynite Dec 2016 #22

I am. Check this article out: Squinch Dec 2016 #27

Nobody is offering a GOP mini-me ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #21

Those who say we need to ditch social issues, concentrate on economics only and/or appeal Squinch Dec 2016 #40

It's not a GOP mini-me move ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #48

Yes, people ARE saying that social issues and "identity politics" - which translates to social Squinch Dec 2016 #57

Identity politics and social issues are two different things ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #58

Social issues are the source of identity politics. I don't need you to define identity politics for Squinch Dec 2016 #59

No it's not ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #60

Big ideas and broad appeal are whats needed. We should not target any groups except working people jack_krass Dec 2016 #64

You can be broad ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #65

bs Skittles Dec 2016 #44

The key is not to be mushy REGARLESS of the policies brooklynite Dec 2016 #17

Democrats need to start fighting Republicans the way Republicans fight Democrats. TeamPooka Dec 2016 #26

By demagoguery and misinformation? ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #28

The GOP has taught America that 100% obstruction over ideals and values is the right thing to do. TeamPooka Dec 2016 #36

One core thing we need to change is to use graphic, pithy tag lines to get our points across. JudyM Dec 2016 #32

That's part of it. TeamPooka Dec 2016 #37

Sadly this is true. Which is why I hope "Twitler" catches on. Squinch Dec 2016 #43

It's War Bear Creek Dec 2016 #42

through gerrymandering, voter suppression, fake news, and help from Russia and the FBI? Skittles Dec 2016 #45

It's that simple malaise Dec 2016 #29

Move Left Bear Creek Dec 2016 #41

This is all a bunch of horseshit. moda253 Dec 2016 #51

Yes, I think some are forgetting that treestar Dec 2016 #52

All the talk about younger voters ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #53

Agree moda253 Dec 2016 #55

Yeah, we have great candidates and future candidates in the under 30 crowd ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #56

The early 50s and 40s crowd are a problem loyalsister Dec 2016 #67

Yeah ... ZoomBubba Dec 2016 #61

Yeah, except not Cosmocat Dec 2016 #66

Tea-party style is nauseating no matter the cause loyalsister Dec 2016 #68