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MrDiaz

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31. they were trying to blow this up

Reply to Baitball Blogger (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:11 PM

Jun 2012

It didn't happen until Obama did this.

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A little help understanding Fast and Furious controversy. [View all] Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 OP

Once again the administration has failed to blame their predecessors tularetom Jun 2012 #1

You can't win elections if you miss the easy ones. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #2

exactly. The Obama admin should have released the docs showing the involvement of the Bush admin. hahahareally Jun 2012 #3

The connection between F&F and Operation Wide Receiver are extremely flimsy or nonexistent. ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #12

You do not know what is in these documents. Giving them to Congress could get people KILLED. MADem Jun 2012 #13

That is quite true. ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #14

I think the fact that they didn't use EP until the security of the documents was actually at risk MADem Jun 2012 #17

That isn't what I am saying at all. I'm speaking from a "public perception" perspective. ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #19

Don't you get it? If it wasn't this, it would be something else. The GOP is desperate to find MADem Jun 2012 #23

The fact that the Republicans would look for anything and everything to condemn... ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #24

That is NOT NEWS. That is also not what this witch hunt is about, either. MADem Jun 2012 #30

"A federal agent was murdered due to a gun running operation" -- Bullshit. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #38

Circumstantial evidence is strong sarisataka Jun 2012 #41

And F&F weapons were the only ones available to the cartels? You can prove this? Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #43

Irrelevant to the issue at hand Lurks Often Jun 2012 #69

The fact that far more weapons were at hand for the cartels to use is irrelevant? Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #76

You can't prove a negative: Lurks Often Jun 2012 #78

No, I don't envy your position at all. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #79

Yawn Lurks Often Jun 2012 #84

I have seen nothing to make me think there is anything to this investigation other than Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #85

From the LA Times Lurks Often Jun 2012 #87

Oh, Jesus Fucking Christ. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #88

Then there is no point in us continuing this conversation, is there. n/t Lurks Often Jun 2012 #93

Right, but the point is that there are tens of thousands of guns smuggled to Mexico from the US. DanTex Jun 2012 #44

In theory sarisataka Jun 2012 #51

Brian Terry would be just as dead today if no F&F weapons had walked. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #52

You know that for sure? sarisataka Jun 2012 #53

Can you prove differently? Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #56

So you are ok that the ATF sarisataka Jun 2012 #57

I can get your bullshit from Free Republic, you know. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #58

It does not matter to me sarisataka Jun 2012 #59

And it cannot be proven that a F&F gun did kill Terry. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #77

It gets so boring when they try to change the subject rather than argue the issues. MADem Jun 2012 #71

Yeah, it's an attempt at argument by absurdity. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #82

About the only people in DC who are posturing about that death blatantly seek political gain. MADem Jun 2012 #86

Welcome to DU! mattclearing Jun 2012 #49

People have already been killed. Dr. Strange Jun 2012 #20

DUH. And who knows who, still living, is named in those documents? MADem Jun 2012 #25

Supposition on your part Lurks Often Jun 2012 #68

The President knows. I trust his judgment before I trust Crybaby Issa's. MADem Jun 2012 #70

I'll post part of another answer of mine in response to you: Lurks Often Jun 2012 #80

If it wasn't this, the ads would say something else. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #81

You apparently don't realize that Holder has tried--mightily--to cooperate with those clowns. MADem Jun 2012 #89

We disagree then n/t Lurks Often Jun 2012 #92

Issa needs to stop asking for documents that Holder is legally prohibited from providing. MADem Jun 2012 #96

Although MrDiaz Jun 2012 #4

Holder wants to give Bush et al a free pass to avoid Tejas Jun 2012 #6

You can count on them abusing it, regardless of what the Democrats do. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #8

Exactly my point MrDiaz Jun 2012 #9

This may just be the Republican's only target prior to the election. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #11

they were trying to blow this up MrDiaz Jun 2012 #31

Apparently he decided to swat him with the back of his hand. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #32

he is not white or republican MrDiaz Jun 2012 #34

It means that it's good that we have a president who doesn't trust Republicans, Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #35

You think they haven't done this under BushCo?? Rip Van Winkle, is that you? MADem Jun 2012 #15

Two federal agents are dead. Tejas Jun 2012 #5

Got proof F&F weapons were the only guns the drug cartels had available? n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #39

What kind of ignorant question is that? Tejas Jun 2012 #62

Because if the cartels have access to more weapons than just F&F Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #73

But that is not what happened, now is it? Tejas Jun 2012 #91

Without F&F weapons, it's what would have happened. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #94

you are forgetting, this is the government of transparency lol nt msongs Jun 2012 #7

re: you are forgetting, this is the government of transparency lol nt clang1 Jun 2012 #10

And protecting the names of federal agents who may or may not be still undercover.... MADem Jun 2012 #16

Two federal employees were killed by these guns. former9thward Jun 2012 #18

Nooooooo.....really? Who knew? MADem Jun 2012 #27

Exactly what Bush would have said about WMD documents. former9thward Jun 2012 #60

No it isn't. The two issues are not consonant with one another. MADem Jun 2012 #66

Tell that BS to the families of the two federal officers. former9thward Jun 2012 #67

Oh please--have you run out of talking points? MADem Jun 2012 #72

I thought guns didn't kill people? People kill people. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #36

So its ok with you that we supply drug cartels with weapons. former9thward Jun 2012 #61

+1 Families deserve answers. emilyg Jun 2012 #37

Prove to me F&F weapons were the only ones available to the drug cartels. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #40

What a cynical reply. former9thward Jun 2012 #63

LOL, you think Holder's hiding evidence that the cartels had no other access to weapons Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #74

So the F&F weapons had no impact? Tejas Jun 2012 #64

The F&F weapons were a drop in the bucket for the problem of guns moving over the border, yes. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #75

Actually, Holder has turned over documents that are directly related to the F&F program. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #21

Where did you find the info that Wide Receiver continued on to become F&F? ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #22

Part of the confusion is that the F&F operation, and its predicessor operations JoePhilly Jun 2012 #45

It appears, from what is public sarisataka Jun 2012 #47

I don't think AZ ran it "all on their own". JoePhilly Jun 2012 #50

I could see the idea sarisataka Jun 2012 #55

And WHOOOOOOP---there it is!! +1. nt MADem Jun 2012 #28

The Republicans think it was all a conspiracy theory in order to justify new gun control laws. DanTex Jun 2012 #26

Yea, CBS reported on that in December last year. ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #29

Reported on what? DanTex Jun 2012 #33

From CBS sarisataka Jun 2012 #46

Again, using information from F&F is totally different. DanTex Jun 2012 #48

The ATF was talking about sarisataka Jun 2012 #54

You mean the so-called "study" by Schumer and Feinstein? Tejas Jun 2012 #65

It's all about politics, in an election year slackmaster Jun 2012 #42

Just found this out at Americablog: NRA is scoring the Holder contempt vote Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #83

Well, as Gomer would say "Sur-Prize, Sur-PRIZE!" Great find!!!! nt MADem Jun 2012 #90

Read the excellent WIKIPEDIA article on "gunwalking", at URL ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #95