Emboldened by Trump win, Ohio passes "heartbeat" law banning abortion at 6 WEEKS.

[Maru Kitteh]

23. So you would force birth, in rape, in incest, in suicidal women?

Your original post (emphasis mine)

Not sarcasm. And we're still a ways from losing
the right to abortion and much farther away from debtors' prisons.

But at some point, at which people disagree, there ARE two people involved. After that point, related to brain development, I am definitelyone of those who would "force birth," as you put it, and I'm inclined to put it sooner rather than later. Certainly most experts agree that Roe v. Wade is flawed and needs adjustment, including justices who were involved with it.

Btw, I often think also of the massive hypocrisy of anti-abortionists who claims abortion is murder but allow it for babies of incest and rape. Despicable. Marriage between cousins is legal in almost half our states, intercourse in two or three others. And, of course, rape is only one of many reasons a pregnancy might make a woman extremely unhappy, even to the point of being suicidal.

And then there's the little money issue. If little research has been done on how to keep a miscarried 15-week fetus growing out of the uterus, one guess why. I'd love to watch them face that one. And they will have to if they happen to get their way.

How about jailing mothers who miscarry after being told to stay in bed and disobeying instruction? Murder? Lots of interesting questions.

I know I'm just a crazy-assed, godless liberal, but I regard anyone who would presume to lord over my body and deny me the dignity of reproductive freedom a la chattel, to be in the service of conservatism, paternalism, theocratism and every other oppression I have fought against since my mid-teens.

"You can grab them by the pussy, you can do whatever you want."

Really. That's what it is. That's all it is.

You said you didn't think this draconian violation of the autonomy of women "would be the worst thing in the world" because "It's possible to tell pregnancies very early these days" and it would take away a "wedge issue."

I guess you don't know many women will not even suspect pregnancy at six weeks? What of them? So all women (and minors) of reproductive age/capability must now be expected to accurately test routinely either at a clinic or with validated and reliable pregnancy tests at medically-indicated intervals following any and all consensual or non-consensual sexual activity (which in some instances they may or may not yet be aware of)?

Does we demand this of a homeschooled 17yo with no sexual education at all living 56 miles from the nearest stoplight in the mountains of Idaho? Is she just collateral damage in this brave new war on women's reproductive autonomy? So what if she's suicidal?

What of the college attendant who didn't even know she was slipped a roofie?

What about the mother of 4 working 3 jobs, suffering from PCOS who is quite used to having only 4 or 5 periods a year? Who cares if the rape that finally marked the end of her abusive marriage left her with a pregnancy she can only despise?



You said "I don't think this would be the worst thing in the world."
I think a bloody mess of dead women is petty much the worst thing in the world. My body is not a wedge issue. My freedom is not negotiable.

I trust women.



BTW, not only are women losing our human rights in this country, your assertion that debtor's prisons do not exist is incorrect as well. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debtors-prison-arkansas_us_57bdd1b8e4b0c6301ca0e56c
Debtor prison is alive and thriving.