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John1956PA

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18. Nowadays, the right-wingers are lobbing grenades into the hen house.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 07:44 PM
Dec 2016

Thank you for your kind reply.

From the beginning of the twentieth century to the 1970s, impeachment of a president was unthinkable. Before Watergate, those of us high school students who learned of the 1868 Andrew Johnson impeachment came away from that lesson with the opinion that the event was a quirky footnote in history and would never be repeated. Up until Watergate, both parties tacitly agreed that any impeachment of a president would be an exercise in political muscle on both sides. After all, what president could serve without committing some infraction which, in some lawyerly argument, could be said to be a "misdemeanor"? The thinking of the politicians was akin to Mutual Assured Destruction mentality. Everyone thought that, if the impeachment football were to allowed to become commonplace, neither side would be safe. As a corollary, the parties' unwritten rule was to take no action to challenge the outcome of a national election. Hence, it is said, the R's did not seek a recount of the Illinois votes in the 1960 election.

Watergate was a sea-change in the attitude of many politicians towards resorting to the impeachment process. The Clinton impeachment was a follow-through on that new attitude. In fact, in 1998, some pundits opined that the Clinton impeachment was, in the minds of some R's, suitable retaliation for the Democrats' pursuit of Nixon in Watergate.

Alarmingly, today's right-winger pols and their low-information admirers throw the "impeachment" word (and incarceration terminology) at their political opponents to vent their hate and to score political points. Politics, which to the public used to be akin to a harmless parlor game, has become more of a violent computer game. During this past campaign, Hillary haters spewed the nonsense that, on the grounds of her past emailing practices, she would be impeached if she won the election. Lost on those hate mongers was the premise that impeachable offenses apply to high crimes and misdemeanors committed while the president is in office.

If the impeachment process, or even the threat of it, become the norm, our government will be gridlocked.


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I believe he knew they were going to impeach him, so he resigned to avoid that. Demit Dec 2016 #1
I met John Dean once pinboy3niner Dec 2016 #2
I've always been of two minds about Dean. trof Dec 2016 #16
I think he realized he was being set up as the coverup fall guy pinboy3niner Dec 2016 #19
I also remember his wife was a blond knockout. trof Dec 2016 #21
Annie Glenn had a stuttering problem and John Gleen protected her from criticism for her CTyankee Dec 2016 #29
LOL whut? Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #33
Hunh? How did Annie Glen get in this? trof Dec 2016 #36
I shouldn't have taken that pain pill before posting! CTyankee Dec 2016 #37
Happens all the time. No prob. trof Dec 2016 #39
Oh, thanks trof. I've been medicated for days now leading up to having a little wire CTyankee Dec 2016 #40
Thanks. Got the shot a couple of years ago. Posted on 'Seniors' about it. trof Dec 2016 #43
I've done that too. I think it comes from not wanting to impose on the person. pnwmom Dec 2016 #42
Nixon was about to be removed by force by his own people Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #3
This is not Barry Goldwater's Republican Party. TBA Dec 2016 #4
Nixon was about to be impeached. He resigned rather than go through the humiliation... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #5
Pity that you can't humiliate someone who has no shame. . . n/t annabanana Dec 2016 #35
Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) told Nixon that impeachment and conviction were inevitable. John1956PA Dec 2016 #6
Richard Nixon's resignation: the day before, a moment of truth FarCenter Dec 2016 #8
Rhodes was also from Arizona. n/t ChazII Dec 2016 #20
And there you go....Nixon was a well versed political animal dixiegrrrrl Dec 2016 #25
great historical report there in your post. CTyankee Dec 2016 #10
Nowadays, the right-wingers are lobbing grenades into the hen house. John1956PA Dec 2016 #18
as I remember it hfojvt Dec 2016 #17
I remember it well, but we have to also remember that in those days there were enough Dec 2016 #7
It was must see TV but few were watching until everything exploded Lemon722 Dec 2016 #9
I remember. Jeez what a time it was. I wasin the antiwar movement at the time and I remember CTyankee Dec 2016 #12
In college, I cut classes to watch the Watergate hearings on TV pinboy3niner Dec 2016 #13
Paragraphs friend, paragraphs. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #22
Thanks for the great explanation Freddie Dec 2016 #26
more importantly, there are maybe 5-10 Republicans with any integrity in Congress now. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #11
I think the plan always was to put Pence in the WH. Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #14
"IIRC, his closest aides and advisors came to him and said he HAD to resign" jberryhill Dec 2016 #15
I truly believe that his inner circle pleaded for him to resign. It seems to me the handwriting on CTyankee Dec 2016 #24
a HUGE difference is the media. watergate would be a non story today JI7 Dec 2016 #23
Agreed Freddie Dec 2016 #28
What is it that tRump would be impeached for? CentralMass Dec 2016 #27
Violating the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution, for one Hekate Dec 2016 #31
Well I hope that this is thoroughly investigated and there is some "teeth" to it. CentralMass Dec 2016 #38
Watergate was when I became politically aware madokie Dec 2016 #30
This is beginning to remind me of Watergate. I'm wondering what Manafort's role was. Vinca Dec 2016 #32
If the GOP controlled the Senate he would have never resigned. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #34
It wasn't his aides. It was REPUBLICANS like Barry Goldwater who said duffyduff Dec 2016 #41
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