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ismnotwasm

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175. I am a damn Hippy!

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 03:10 PM

Dec 2016

Well kinda. Not an original, too young for all that.

All this is back and forth stuff. I only get into it when I'm grumpy. As I had an apparently opposite political awaking that brought me to being a Democrat, I only have a problem with bullshit. Or what I consider bullshit. Repeated Memes, scattershot finger pointing, and those with no apparent understanding of how the political process actually works---good, bad and ugly (we so-called "radical" feminists can really look with a jaundiced eye at all of Western civilization, starting with ancient Greek philosophy) are annoying. Conspiracy theorists are annoying.

Someone posts a thread, and Hillary partisans get upset--someone else posts a thread And Bernie partisans gets upset. Then someone else posts a thread blaming Obama for the whole thing...etc

I do agree we have bigger fish to fry right now.

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I sure hope the BoBs and Greens and the rest of the alt-left are happy! [View all] DanTex Dec 2016 OP

Well I can't really say - I didn't think much of Hillary Clinton but I'm sad she didn't win el_bryanto Dec 2016 #1

bout sums it up dembotoz Dec 2016 #10

She was a great candidate ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #41

Kinda like ejbr Dec 2016 #56

+1 tecelote Dec 2016 #64

Dude, Trump and Sanders and, like, a world apart ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #116

Not sure what that means, ejbr Dec 2016 #129

They are both "change" candidates sfwriter Dec 2016 #252

Trump didn't go to Moscow for his honeymoon, nor did he praise Castro as a great leader... George II Dec 2016 #138

What skeletons? ejbr Dec 2016 #144

Despite what lots of people would LIKE to think, the DNC wasn't "against" Sanders. George II Dec 2016 #156

Of course she wasn't fed debate questions ejbr Dec 2016 #159

+1 On good authority (like Not Fake News) we know the GOP had an oppo file a yard thick on Sanders Hekate Dec 2016 #201

Nor did Scum write about how women wanted to WhiteTara Dec 2016 #249

Think Castro would've helped Bernie win? Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #253

Are you aware that that "Bernie honeymooned in Russia" tripe truebluegreen Dec 2016 #101

Thank you for clearing that up kacekwl Dec 2016 #132

My pleasure. truebluegreen Dec 2016 #285

What "official duties" does the mayor of a small (35,000 people) rural town have in Moscow? George II Dec 2016 #141

You might know if you bothered to read the link. truebluegreen Dec 2016 #170

Yaroslavl is a city of more than 600,000 whereas Burlington was only 35,000. George II Dec 2016 #215

WTH? Gorbachev was General Secretary of the party truebluegreen Dec 2016 #223

Why of course it was official business WhiteTara Dec 2016 #244

So you're going with the theory truebluegreen Dec 2016 #277

where did that come from? WhiteTara Dec 2016 #278

Right. You totally have no idea truebluegreen Dec 2016 #280

You know WhiteTara Dec 2016 #282

I don't care what you think or write truebluegreen Dec 2016 #283

Since he didn't get the nomination, we never got to see all the dirt that would have been.... George II Dec 2016 #72

Kurt Eichenwald of Newsweek saw the opposition research on Sanders. lapucelle Dec 2016 #119

She did. Texin Dec 2016 #87

I would never, you know, presume to answer for BoBs or Greens. lapucelle Dec 2016 #103

Yeah - I like how you made fun of one thing I said for an entire post el_bryanto Dec 2016 #158

Hillary's record for liberalism in the senate matches Sanders. lapucelle Dec 2016 #162

Ad feminum? What does that refer to? nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #234

Argumentum ad feminum: lapucelle Dec 2016 #269

Ah. So if you said "I didn't think much of Bernie Sanders" el_bryanto Dec 2016 #271

Some people confuse snark with argumentation lapucelle Dec 2016 #272

That's a pretty normal response from someone who can't bear the thought that some people el_bryanto Dec 2016 #274

The trump voters who can be divided in to camps: the racist, misogynist xenophobes, and those who lunamagica Dec 2016 #210

You forgot the ones that hated Clinton so much that they would of rather voted for Satan himself. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #247

Actually, I did not. The mysoginist are part of the first group lunamagica Dec 2016 #262

They were not all misogynist. They just hated anything Clinton. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #266

And you think they would admit it to your face? lunamagica Dec 2016 #267

I personally knew many of them. Sorry that there were people who really just hated Clinton PERIOD TrekLuver Dec 2016 #268

So a fake scandal reinforced their original irrational hatred? lapucelle Dec 2016 #270

Yes...and there have been fake scandals going back 25 years now. I swear if these people were on TrekLuver Dec 2016 #273

Comey, Putin, Assange denied the real winner who got 2.7 million more votes brush Dec 2016 #130

She has 2.8 million more votes. There are two main reasons she wasn't pnwmom Dec 2016 #131

+1000 oasis Dec 2016 #165

She could have been a better candidate if only WhiteTara Dec 2016 #242

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #243

says the man. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #245

I didn't vote for Trump I voted for Hillary in the general election. el_bryanto Dec 2016 #246

Who knows? Who cares? WhiteTara Dec 2016 #248

Jeffrey Sachs has the nerve to tweet about the EPA being Tanuki Dec 2016 #2

When the Senate Democrats took the first stand for... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #3

Many would rather burn it all down completely ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #4

Yup. Those people are idiots. Selfish idiots. DanTex Dec 2016 #6

The entire Planet.. Cha Dec 2016 #7

Are they though? ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #186

A lot of them are. Some of them are just stupid. DanTex Dec 2016 #195

Now we've gone full on calling people names ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #203

Well, I'm calling Greens and BoBs names. I also call Republicans names. DanTex Dec 2016 #206

Why is it hillarious? All politics are local. ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #265

Yes they are. They are not the ones who get "scratched" lunamagica Dec 2016 #220

No shit! As far as I am concerned, they got what they wanted. leftofcool Dec 2016 #241

Yeah, because that worked so well for the Naderites who Tanuki Dec 2016 #8

Didn't that ultimately end up with a 2 term Obama presidency? GummyBearz Dec 2016 #145

Which lead to Obama for 8 years. ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #179

Yeah, tough shit about the Iraq war, and every other fucked up Tanuki Dec 2016 #196

Oh I agree with you ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #260

Yeah, usually those who think like that are the ones who ar not affected lunamagica Dec 2016 #216

And the loss of many lives, rights and freedoms. JTFrog Dec 2016 #239

Welcome to DU! Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #11

Thank you :) ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #182

What "went wrong" is that we relied on people who think like that. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #22

No sorry ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #188

Except that's not how it works. We'll have New New Democrats. joshcryer Dec 2016 #34

DLC on steroids. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #52

And Tulsi Gabbard is our new progressive hero. joshcryer Dec 2016 #60

How so? Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #66

Actually it is how it works ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #190

What is just and moral about plunging most of the world into suffering? jumptheshadow Dec 2016 #54

Did I say that it was? ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #192

Just asking jumptheshadow Dec 2016 #233

We saw the result of that brilliant strategy after the 2000 election lapucelle Dec 2016 #133

Which lead to 8 years of Obama. ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #193

Which led to losing Congress. lapucelle Dec 2016 #197

I don't think President Obama would think it was worth it Bradical79 Dec 2016 #256

And usually those people are the ones who will not be affected by "the revolution" lunamagica Dec 2016 #213

Do they realize how hard it's going to be to undo Trump's first 100 days? jmowreader Dec 2016 #238

I don't especially want a Dem Party that is "truly progressive" MADem Dec 2016 #292

Hillary would have been a great President and she won Cha Dec 2016 #5

My feelings, also. demosincebirth Dec 2016 #39

Thank you, Cha! stopbush Dec 2016 #80

Thanks, Cha. Basic LA Dec 2016 #93

I get so damned sick and tired..... Rorey Dec 2016 #105

Mahalo, Rorey! I get tired of the same thing. Cha Dec 2016 #114

I hear you but who's going to be in the Whitehouse? denvine Dec 2016 #137

Illigimately Rorey Dec 2016 #155

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #121

Oh, Cha, why bring facts to the disussion? lunamagica Dec 2016 #226

Well said, I don't see many of the issues placed in the DNC platform pushed in the Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #254

Thank you, Thinkingabout, Exactly!! Well said yourself! Cha Dec 2016 #284

If Stein considered the election of Drumpf a victory... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #9

LOL. You actually think the recounts are about trying to change the election result? DanTex Dec 2016 #12

That's the same CT voiced by the few Drumpf supporters I know! Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #14

Oh, yeah, big conspiracy: politicians do stuff for political reasons. Mindblowing! DanTex Dec 2016 #18

A genuine straw man! Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #24

I guess you have no idea what a "straw man" is. DanTex Dec 2016 #25

Clearly YOU don't, Skippy. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #27

Ooh, name-calling! This is getting exciting! DanTex Dec 2016 #28

One of my best friends growing up was named Skip... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #29

LOL. Yeah, I'm sure you meant it as a term of endearment... DanTex Dec 2016 #30

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #33

All evidence to the contrary... DanTex Dec 2016 #36

Lemme ask you, Skippy. Do you believe Secretary Clinton made mistakes during the campaign? Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #38

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but yes, all humans make mistakes. DanTex Dec 2016 #44

It has to do with my previous comment Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #49

So the alt-lefties decided to support Trump because they got their feelings hurt online? DanTex Dec 2016 #59

No, not a SINGLE Bernie supporter that I know voted for Drumpf. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #65

If one can be "driven" to vote for Trump ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #71

Like I said, NO one I know who supported Senator Sanders, voted for Drumpf. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #76

Voting Green is half as bad as voting GOP. DanTex Dec 2016 #82

I will wear the label "alt-leftie" proudly Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #94

I already know how a "REAL Democrat" thinks because I am one. DanTex Dec 2016 #98

Yet your fire is aimed at other Democrats... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #104

Actually, no, that's your fire. Aimed at the DLC and centrist Dems. DanTex Dec 2016 #111

Not at all. If that were so, I would've voted for Stein Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #117

If you voted for Clinton, the OP isn't about you. DanTex Dec 2016 #154

It's about the shaming of true Progressives. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #157

"True Progressives" don't help Trump become president. DanTex Dec 2016 #160

You continue to blame those who are not to blame. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #161

I don't see why you're defending Jill Stein and the BoBs here. DanTex Dec 2016 #163

I truly believe that blaming the "alt-left" is a VERY dangerous tack to take. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #168

You keep saying "we". I'm not talking about you. DanTex Dec 2016 #171

I'm a Liberal. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #172

Me too. Both. DanTex Dec 2016 #173

I'm not a part of, nor have I ever defended either group. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #177

Well then what are we arguing about? DanTex Dec 2016 #181

BoB's and Greens are not the issues at hand. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #211

Yes, they are. BoBs and Greens are who I mentioned in the OP. Nothing about "hippies". DanTex Dec 2016 #214

What campaign didn't, including Sanders', the non-nominee? brush Dec 2016 #146

So you blame Sanders? Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #148

All the primary attacks from a fellow Dem on Clinton being corrupt didn't help but I blame . . . brush Dec 2016 #152

I think we should't blame anyone except Comey, Putin, Assange... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #153

Thanks for posting this. It should be required viewing for all voters. jalan48 Dec 2016 #40

You're welcome. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #45

McGovern was the first candidate I was able to vote for. jalan48 Dec 2016 #50

Did you support Bernie Sanders in the primary? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #43

Sure did! Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #46

He's got that whole cult of personality thing Down ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #48

No, because over 90% of Bernie supporters voted for Secretary Clinton. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #51

That pesky 10% ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #68

Fortunately, we had a candidate in 2008 who was popular enough to win. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #70

Indeed. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #74

But her negatives were high and not entirely unfounded Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #79

You have better Dem cred than I do then. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #86

Sure do. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #99

Damn I don't have a snappy come back for that one. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #108

I'm here all night. Try the veal. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #110

Don't you know how veal is raised? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #118

*rimshot* Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #124

S'alright ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #126

See? Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #135

I am a damn Hippy! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #175

Let's do so then! Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #184

Ok then ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #187

I've never considered you, or any other DUer an asshole. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #218

Hahaha! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #229

The whole 2004 name change thingy, of course... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #230

This is true ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #240

I'm glad you had the patience to try to stand for the Bernie voters, rwsanders Dec 2016 #286

Activist groups objectively make more money... joshcryer Dec 2016 #35

Bingo! stopbush Dec 2016 #81

Throw in also that she doesn't want to be labeled as the new Nader who helped the repugs win brush Dec 2016 #140

The Green Party does have a record of fighting against BBV. That said, Jill Stein KittyWampus Dec 2016 #17

Stein's "recount" is about collecting names, email address, and phone numbers. That's it. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #20

...and the Clinton legal team signed on to it. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #26

I think they kinda felt obligated ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #90

Of course she did. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #97

Why you are most welcome! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #107

Don't really care what her motivation is , kacekwl Dec 2016 #136

To build both a war chest and a vast and easily monetized email list. lapucelle Dec 2016 #134

To cut off your nose... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #139

Stein raised funds to cut off my nose and spite my face? lapucelle Dec 2016 #147

Enjoy your ignore list. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #149

To expand her mailing list names and addresses oberliner Dec 2016 #279

They had every right to do what they did. Unfortunately we all suffer. These leftwing deplorable KittyWampus Dec 2016 #13

I totally agree. A bunch of people got played. yardwork Dec 2016 #15

No it doesn't... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #16

The Hillary camp has to blame Bernie because they are afraid to look at their candidate Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #78

We hoped Obama would reverse the drain of middle-class wealth started by Reagan... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #84

+1 (nt) bekkilyn Dec 2016 #125

The alt-left is a bag of shitbags. End of story. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #19

On The Other Hand colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #21

And all the folks who said we didn't need them. Hope they are happy, too. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #23

+100 Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #31

No No No ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #47

Um... aim elsewhere. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #58

Who am I "aiming" at? ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #77

I lulz'd KG Dec 2016 #32

The beatings will continue until morale improves. theaocp Dec 2016 #37

and you think these kinds of daily posts on DU are helpful? NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #42

Hippie-Punchers, Like Rust, Never Sleeps. Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #55

thanks... this place is like a magnet, I guess - draws one back! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #57

Some people post little except Nevernose Dec 2016 #169

I wish hillary had never run again Garion_55 Dec 2016 #53

Him or just about any other qualified dem candidate Calculating Dec 2016 #91

i agree 100% this was not an election about the issues Garion_55 Dec 2016 #123

You forgot about ejbr Dec 2016 #61

+1 progressoid Dec 2016 #69

Hillary was a poor candidate. Red Oak Dec 2016 #62

That salient fact seems to be lost on the Cult of Personality Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #67

She was a great candidate ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #73

Great candidate for 2004, probably. nt Gore1FL Dec 2016 #113

Oh dear. ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #127

And couldn't beat a Trump? Red Oak Dec 2016 #251

She received millions an millions more votes than he did! lunamagica Dec 2016 #237

She received three million more votes (and counting) than him! lunamagica Dec 2016 #236

Not ignoring it. That's great. She still lost. Red Oak Dec 2016 #250

Anyone would have lost under the same circumstances lunamagica Dec 2016 #261

Really? Anyone would have lost? You are wrong. Red Oak Dec 2016 #275

None of those you mentioned had to deal with voting machines, Assange and Russian hackers lunamagica Dec 2016 #288

You think Hillary had to deal with more than the others? Come on! Red Oak Dec 2016 #289

K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #63

I normally stay out of these threads, but holy shit Saviolo Dec 2016 #75

Cornel West is, indeed very happy ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #83

Cornel West isn't happy about Trump Saviolo Dec 2016 #95

Mel culpa ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #106

"You think Jill Stein and Cornel West are happy to have a racist misogynist in the White House?" DanTex Dec 2016 #88

Exactly Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #167

What utter claptrap. nt Skidmore Dec 2016 #185

Oy veh FailureToCommunicate Dec 2016 #85

What's that? Cha Dec 2016 #89

The floggings will continue...untill morale improves FailureToCommunicate Dec 2016 #96

LOL.. perfect saying Cha Dec 2016 #102

Thank you for all the solutions you offer. gordianot Dec 2016 #92

Well thank God we don't have to worry about Hillary's emails anymore huh? workinclasszero Dec 2016 #100

There's one... Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #109

Jill Stein, Cornel West workinclasszero Dec 2016 #115

*spittake* Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #122

Whatevs, sarandon.. funny, she had a mention in my post, too, working.. Cha Dec 2016 #112

Yes Cha, Sarandon and her ilk have to kill the poor to save the poor workinclasszero Dec 2016 #120

Such nobility.. let them eat cake Cha Dec 2016 #128

Goldman has had it's claws into that gig for a while. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #142

Troll Tragl1 Dec 2016 #143

Welcome to DU! Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #150

Thanks Tragl1 Dec 2016 #151

IF I may...... democrank Dec 2016 #164

No, that's not what "alt-left" means at all. DanTex Dec 2016 #166

Blame Bernie? Primaries are supposed to be a fight ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #194

Not all the blame, just some. DanTex Dec 2016 #199

I disagree Dan, sorry ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #205

Her fav/unfav were about equal when Bernie entered the race. When she was SoS DanTex Dec 2016 #231

When Bernie entered the race however nobody knew who he was ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #263

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Dec 2016 #232

Why thank you Sid :) ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #264

I said it during the primary, and I still believe it Saviolo Dec 2016 #228

"UPDATE: Exxon-Mobil CEO for Secretary of State!" Cooley Hurd Dec 2016 #174

I didn't pick him, Trump did. How do you think Jill Stein feels about the choice? DanTex Dec 2016 #176

PUTIN LACKEY and Exxon-Mobil CEO for SOS. Our democracy is FUCKED. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #178

Conservatives are NEVER happy Warpy Dec 2016 #180

Umm, conservatives are happy now, thanks to the help that Greens and BoBs gave them. DanTex Dec 2016 #183

I hate to have to point out the obvious Warpy Dec 2016 #198

Yes, the electoral college needs to go. DanTex Dec 2016 #202

I'm not surprised at all. n/t QC Dec 2016 #191

I am no fan of the green party... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #189

True, a lot of Green voters and BoBs are ignorant sheep. I place more responsibility DanTex Dec 2016 #204

Hillary should have... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #207

Maybe, maybe not. Courting the alt-left risks losing the center. DanTex Dec 2016 #208

Would you mind losing the center... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #209

Of course not. I'm just not sure it would have worked. DanTex Dec 2016 #212

If that were true, I wouldn't bead at Hillary for losing... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #217

Sure, her campaign wasn't great, and she was a flawed candidate. DanTex Dec 2016 #219

But, that is their right. Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #222

If course it's their right, it doesn't make it any less reprehensible. DanTex Dec 2016 #224

That I agree with. Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #225

It's okay because the president appointing the Goldman execs BainsBane Dec 2016 #200

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2016 #221

sadly it took leftists being thrown into concentration camps before this contingent got it. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #227

Hillary got the popular vote. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #235

I disagree w/ the term alt left, but I do agree the BoBers & greens fucked everything up royally. NT LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #255

This message was self-deleted by its author Uponthegears Dec 2016 #257

I had a snarky reply up and self-deleted it Uponthegears Dec 2016 #258

Just another finger pointing op NWCorona Dec 2016 #259

Too funny... J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #276

Jill Stein is an avowed enemy of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party oberliner Dec 2016 #281

Must be nice to have what Trump has: KPN Dec 2016 #287

It is going to be a tough four years Gothmog Dec 2016 #290

Agreed, they all got played for fools as Trump makes it obvious he just manipulated R B Garr Dec 2016 #291