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Kotya

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150. And they were.

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:18 PM

Dec 2016

Is anyone actually accusing the Russians of hacking our machines and changing legal votes? No. They're not.

The Russians are being accused of influencing our election by releasing to Wikileaks hacked emails that show the DNC colluded to hobble Bernie Sanders' primary campaign, emails that DNC officials have never denied, by the way.

Are the Russians pro-Trump? Absolutely!

And practically every other European leader was unabashedly pro-Clinton.

Did these emails embarrass Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC? You bet.

Did these emails alter the outcome of the election? It's debatable that pissed-off Bernie supporters might have stayed home or voted third party as a result of confirming what many of them suspected; that DWS and the DNC was in the tank for HRC.

Did the Russians steal our election? No.

Do we get a re-do? No.

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President Obama can save this country. [View all] rzemanfl Dec 2016 OP

He will. lonestarnot Dec 2016 #1

From your keyboard to some all powerful being's eyes. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #2

You think? flamingdem Dec 2016 #3

I believe that if Mr. President knows information that the Russian's threw our election that he will lonestarnot Dec 2016 #5

He knows what the NSA, CIA and a bunch of other agencies know. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #6

totally agree. He is putting every duck in a row, following rigorous legal procedure BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #25

YES. MBS Dec 2016 #44

I hope and pray kacekwl Dec 2016 #96

Me too. I'm just guessing based on the past 8 years BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #110

It's not too late until the electors cast their votes confoosed Dec 2016 #30

Yes! This! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #52

EC should postpone voting until all votes recounted in MI, FL, PA, WI wordpix Dec 2016 #159

Everyone please write to him. I did last night asking him to put in our Supreme court Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #11

! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #26

Sample letter ... CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #87

Thank you. Great letter. Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #112

Short & sweet CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #115

Presidents don't read letters to the president. The help reads them. pangaia Dec 2016 #126

That is why the shorter the better CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #127

Agreed 100%. pangaia Dec 2016 #128

Agreed. Great letter! AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #129

Done and posted multiple times on facebook The Blue Flower Dec 2016 #111

copy the Electoral College, asktheelectors.org wordpix Dec 2016 #165

I doubt it. nt cwydro Dec 2016 #42

He can declare a national emergency under the National Emergency Act. roamer65 Dec 2016 #4

He can. But he won't. progressoid Dec 2016 #10

He may if we really push him Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #12

I am not picking on you but your post explains why the Democrats need new Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #15

BINGO! mazzarro Dec 2016 #51

Have you actually read the National Emergencies Act? onenote Dec 2016 #137

I believe in him. I believe he will do the right thing. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #7

I do too. It is a shame that this befell him. I think he and everyone else rzemanfl Dec 2016 #9

You know, i think anything is possible. And there is so much we don't know. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #16

Affair in the Oval Office... BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #27

lol wordpix Dec 2016 #160

we know enough that the EC should postpone voting til after the recounts and wordpix Dec 2016 #161

I agree with that. This election was compromised and I don't see how we can just continue AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #164

If he has to act it would be helpful if he had the public support of the former presidents dflprincess Dec 2016 #8

It would also help to arrest Trump RonniePudding Dec 2016 #18

Pretty damn sure he's going to have Farewell Cha Dec 2016 #13

Tweet this to @POTUS Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #14

Time for a little Jedi mind trick! world wide wally Dec 2016 #17

He can. Quayblue Dec 2016 #19

Oh wow... there's a good point. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #29

I do too. Quayblue Dec 2016 #134

yep, me too. That's a pretty important qualification for the job, BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #135

There are no election redos under our constitution. longship Dec 2016 #20

Thank you for being the voice of reason here. Hyper_Eye Dec 2016 #24

Good post, I agree 100% n/t sammythecat Dec 2016 #68

Very well stated! Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #70

You are 100% correct! Not to mention that the remedy the OP suggests would cause a civil war. tableturner Dec 2016 #36

we never had a legitimate election in the first place, so it wouldn't be a "re-do." nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #38

Under what law???? And who gets to decide??? longship Dec 2016 #39

well, there's also Article 25, section 4 eShirl Dec 2016 #43

Have you seen his cabinet picks? exboyfil Dec 2016 #53

the issue is the Rs are totally in charge of Congress wordpix Dec 2016 #162

The only out is the EC. elehhhhna Dec 2016 #80

EC needs to postpone voting til after Congress'l investigation & recounts wordpix Dec 2016 #163

This had the appearance of an election but as it turns out the fix was in. A fix is not an election. AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2016 #72

According to all law, it was an election. longship Dec 2016 #95

If you can cite of the law, including any references of undue influence. AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2016 #124

Step one: Read your US Constitution. longship Dec 2016 #125

i'm pretty sure there are laws saying essentially that elections must be free, fair, and open. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #140

And they were. Kotya Dec 2016 #150

Nope. There are other ways. duffyduff Dec 2016 #82

Do you honestly believe either will come to pass? Nt longship Dec 2016 #94

+1 onenote Dec 2016 #138

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President Obama needs to share this information, on air, with the public. colorado_ufo Dec 2016 #21

There is no precedent for the Supreme Court to involve themselves in this. WillowTree Dec 2016 #99

I meant for someone to bring it to the court! colorado_ufo Dec 2016 #136

He won't. He's more of a "Why can't we all just get along?" President. jalan48 Dec 2016 #22

hope he has the guts......but, couldn't stand up to BigPharma or Insurance cos. joanbarnes Dec 2016 #23

Get a grip. Solomon Dec 2016 #28

hey, we got them too! confoosed Dec 2016 #31

Trump could declare marshal law and we'd really be screwed. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #155

What you would have is literally civil war davidn3600 Dec 2016 #32

This feels like a coup as it is, doesn't it? bmpbmp Dec 2016 #33

No, it doesn't Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #139

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he should refuse to leave office, because we have no legitimately elected successor. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #34

have you lost your mind? infiniti30 Dec 2016 #35

Do you want trump to be one? samir.g Dec 2016 #50

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No, I do not support a coup led by President Obama. Luckily neither does he. tritsofme Dec 2016 #37

I would call it a counter-coup. We already have had one. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #48

Absolute nonsense. tritsofme Dec 2016 #73

Lol.. now that is some batshit crazy. phleshdef Dec 2016 #40

Aw Jeez. Do they still teach civics in school these days? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #41

No. A lot of places (all???) have cut it out. That's scary. LAS14 Dec 2016 #55

they don't want the next generations to know how government works. putitinD Dec 2016 #79

Scary, indeed. All this magical thinking about thwarting DT before he takes office is just that. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #91

Oooh! Interesting! Link? LAS14 Dec 2016 #119

Here ya go. I don't know how post videos that aren't from youtube. Sorry. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #120

civics??? are you kidding me? if you think the enemy cares anything about civics you are either TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #101

WTF are you talking about? Not sure how your response applies to anything I said. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #117

Unfortunately... WiffenPoof Dec 2016 #45

The Constitution was written in the days of quill pens. The founding fathers rzemanfl Dec 2016 #47

Completely Agree WiffenPoof Dec 2016 #64

word. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #102

This is exactly what Barak Obama will not do. (nt) enough Dec 2016 #46

No. cwydro Dec 2016 #158

Only the electoral college can prevent Trumps presidency. Abu Pepe Dec 2016 #49

No. That will not happen. MineralMan Dec 2016 #54

Do you think Nixon, Reagan or either Bush would have hesitated if the shoe were on the other foot? rzemanfl Dec 2016 #56

What happens if a military leader or leaders refuse his order and back Trump? inwiththenew Dec 2016 #57

I am willing to take a chance on that rather than have Orange Julius Caesar be rzemanfl Dec 2016 #58

heh heh, that's a good one. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #103

Why set a date for a new election at all. ileus Dec 2016 #59

Holy shit. SomethingNew Dec 2016 #85

Go suck on a tea bag CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #88

That is truly ryan_cats Dec 2016 #60

Yours is exactly the sort of reaction the Russians counted on. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #61

My solution? ryan_cats Dec 2016 #62

Accept the transfer of power. To protect the wishes of under 80,000 people in three states. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #65

No, no ryan_cats Dec 2016 #66

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #67

yep, the reality is that most people are very passive conformists; their first reaction is to accept TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #105

Oh please MFM008 Dec 2016 #63

We need to take action demjayhawk Dec 2016 #69

i think his time to save it was back in october....sadly spanone Dec 2016 #71

No,see my thread libtodeath Dec 2016 #74

Messy? ztug Dec 2016 #75

So your solution is to let the Russians, Drumpf and the oligarchs have the country? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #83

The only way to prevent tyranny sarisataka Dec 2016 #76

I trust Obama NOT to be a dictator. I EXPECT Drumpf to be a dictatorial Putin puppet. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #81

If he invalidates the election, sarisataka Dec 2016 #84

I don't think emergency action for a limited period of time would put him in a rzemanfl Dec 2016 #86

we can quibble about what the proper title is sarisataka Dec 2016 #92

Just as I was with the Supreme Court issuing a decision in Bush v. Gore rzemanfl Dec 2016 #100

it's already invalid, honey. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #106

No, he would be honoring his oath to defend the constitution... roamer65 Dec 2016 #121

Extremely messy. roamer65 Dec 2016 #77

I was just thinking this very thing!!!! TrekLuver Dec 2016 #78

Agree except do NOT send out the National Guard. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #89

I said call up, not send out. That would keep them out of the hands of red state governors, or am I rzemanfl Dec 2016 #90

That would cause a civil war and exodus LittleBlue Dec 2016 #93

Has the United States of America lost its mind? rzemanfl Dec 2016 #97

Our recourse was to not elect him in the first place LittleBlue Dec 2016 #98

None of this is pretty. I would rather not see Trump as Commander in Chief. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #107

My prediction is that the President will say and do nothing. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #104

The founding fathers failed, in the days of quill pens and sailing ships rzemanfl Dec 2016 #108

Agreed. But in the interests of "stability" they will convince themselves guillaumeb Dec 2016 #109

My prediction is there will be no stability in this country from the moment Drumpf rzemanfl Dec 2016 #114

This is exactly Runningdawg Dec 2016 #113

I agree civil war is a definite possibility. I don't think anything would come of asking Trump rzemanfl Dec 2016 #116

Civil War won't turn out the way you think. ztug Dec 2016 #133

"This is exactly what the right have been saying for the last 8 years." rzemanfl Dec 2016 #123

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Dec 2016 #118

And if he doesn't he will go down in American history milestogo Dec 2016 #122

Ain't gonna happen. If he was going to do it he would have done it prior to election day. jalan48 Dec 2016 #130

That would just confirm all the Alex Jones conspiracies JonLP24 Dec 2016 #131

Everyone here supporting the President invalidating the Election..... brooklynite Dec 2016 #132

under identical circumstances, absolutely yes. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #141

The country has become so polarized rzemanfl Dec 2016 #148

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Welcome to DU Genghis. When you fish, do you cast or just drag the lure behind the boat? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #151

Ha! I guess I was right about his fishing style. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #156

It scares me that this thread has 50 recs... nt B2G Dec 2016 #147

It scares me that the Russians decided who should win our election and picked Drumpf. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #149

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So it's A-OK with you for the Russians to interfere in our election because things suck? rzemanfl Dec 2016 #154

He could. Time will tell. apcalc Dec 2016 #152

Obama won't say anything except "Theres been an election. Theres going to be a Trump presidency... aikoaiko Dec 2016 #157

We're still waiting... cwydro Dec 2016 #166