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BzaDem

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15. Voting against the winner of their state does exactly the opposite of protecting our country.

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:55 PM

Dec 2016

First, it would not necessarily prevent Trump from becoming President. Congress could ignore those electoral votes as illegally cast, and there is nothing you could do to stop them.

But more importantly, even if it did prevent Trump from becoming President, the 2016 election would be the last election where those with power would feel constrained by the verdict of the voters. That is a heavy price to pay that would have ripple effects lasting decades or longer. We should not take for granted the system that allows our democratic form of government in the first place, or we will regret its loss.

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This is not a typical election. duffyduff Dec 2016 #1

I'd rather worry about living in a country that overturned an "unambiguous" election result geomon666 Dec 2016 #2

What other criteria should invalidate the result of an election? BzaDem Dec 2016 #3

Our own intelligence community says Russia was involved in getting this guy elected. geomon666 Dec 2016 #5

"was involved in getting this guy elected" BzaDem Dec 2016 #6

A foreign government interfering with an election isn't a valid reason to overturn it? geomon666 Dec 2016 #7

Think this through. BzaDem Dec 2016 #11

it wasn't just the publishing of stolen emails. geomon666 Dec 2016 #16

There is no consensus that Russia orchestrated fake news. BzaDem Dec 2016 #19

"The exposure of information is not such a reason." geomon666 Dec 2016 #21

I'm not downplaying anything. BzaDem Dec 2016 #26

I never said they should decide differently. geomon666 Dec 2016 #41

If Russians assassinate someone that leads a political party Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #30

I'm not sure about how that hypothetical relates to this thread BzaDem Dec 2016 #33

Welcome to the information age Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #34

SMFH DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #43

A realist.......Who knew?!! WillowTree Dec 2016 #4

Please understand the electors have a duty to protect our country... pbmus Dec 2016 #8

Voting against the winner of their state does exactly the opposite of protecting our country. BzaDem Dec 2016 #15

Your suppositions and assumptions are more than fatalistic.. pbmus Dec 2016 #23

I would LOVE for the electoral college to be abolished. BzaDem Dec 2016 #29

The rules that were universally acknowledged include the oath pbmus Dec 2016 #36

I'm not saying they are all legally bound to support him -- just that we will regret it if they dont BzaDem Dec 2016 #39

I totally disagree... In fact, we will regret it if they do support him.. pbmus Dec 2016 #40

Fuck that EricMaundry Dec 2016 #9

Trump is outright dangerous. Any mechanism that exists to prevent him from taking office 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #10

I don't think you really mean "any mechanism that exists." BzaDem Dec 2016 #13

An analogy is only as strong as it is on point. lapucelle Dec 2016 #12

Millions of people believe in the fantasy that HRC is not fit for office. BzaDem Dec 2016 #31

Your original question articulates a presumption about "everyone OK with this idea". lapucelle Dec 2016 #42

So which foreign power intervened on behalf of HRC? KamaAina Dec 2016 #14

Are you actually saying that any illegal publication of private information by a foreign government BzaDem Dec 2016 #17

No, I'm saying this goes far deeper than that. KamaAina Dec 2016 #18

If it were the case that a foreign government (or anyone else) caused a decisively-incorrect count BzaDem Dec 2016 #20

But flipping one state is plausible? KamaAina Dec 2016 #37

In a different, much closer election, the universe of potentially decisive events greatly expands BzaDem Dec 2016 #38

Why the electoral college should vote against Trump? kentuck Dec 2016 #22

They likely couldn't vote for Pence. They must pick from the top 3 EV vote-getters. BzaDem Dec 2016 #24

Interesting... kentuck Dec 2016 #25

Trump does not equal Clinton Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #27

Would that be like co-Presidents?? kentuck Dec 2016 #28

Clinton doing the work and Trump being the hype man Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #32

:)___% kentuck Dec 2016 #35

To answer your question if a foreign power installed HRC as president I could not countenance it./nt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #44

An intelligent post that sadly 99% of the people here will ignore or disagree with Lurks Often Dec 2016 #45