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BzaDem

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24. They likely couldn't vote for Pence. They must pick from the top 3 EV vote-getters.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:23 AM
Dec 2016

So the only way they could vote for Pence is if some electors didn't just abstain, but in fact voted for Pence.

But in that case, even if the House did elect Pence as the third-top vote getter, that would mean that the Senate could not elect Pence as Vice President. And the Senate must pick from the top two EV vote getters for VP. That would require them to pick Kaine, which would effectively cost them a seat in the Senate.

But I think all of this is beside the point. I don't think any of us would ultimately be happy about living in a country where the winner of the election was the loser for the Presidency. This would not be a one-off. There are no one-offs. It would be a precedent that would have effects that continue for the future of our republic.

Even if you look at it from purely a "protecting the country" perspective, it would be a disaster from that perspective for the EC to vote against Trump. What would be easier for a foreign government to manipulate or blackmail in the future? 130 million people? Or 538 electors?

Our citizenry is the ultimate check and balance. Even if it is not perfect -- even if it completely messes up sometimes -- it is far more likely repel such influence than a system where 538 random people pick our president.

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The electoral college [View all] BzaDem Dec 2016 OP
This is not a typical election. duffyduff Dec 2016 #1
I'd rather worry about living in a country that overturned an "unambiguous" election result geomon666 Dec 2016 #2
What other criteria should invalidate the result of an election? BzaDem Dec 2016 #3
Our own intelligence community says Russia was involved in getting this guy elected. geomon666 Dec 2016 #5
"was involved in getting this guy elected" BzaDem Dec 2016 #6
A foreign government interfering with an election isn't a valid reason to overturn it? geomon666 Dec 2016 #7
Think this through. BzaDem Dec 2016 #11
it wasn't just the publishing of stolen emails. geomon666 Dec 2016 #16
There is no consensus that Russia orchestrated fake news. BzaDem Dec 2016 #19
"The exposure of information is not such a reason." geomon666 Dec 2016 #21
I'm not downplaying anything. BzaDem Dec 2016 #26
I never said they should decide differently. geomon666 Dec 2016 #41
If Russians assassinate someone that leads a political party Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #30
I'm not sure about how that hypothetical relates to this thread BzaDem Dec 2016 #33
Welcome to the information age Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #34
SMFH DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #43
A realist.......Who knew?!! WillowTree Dec 2016 #4
Please understand the electors have a duty to protect our country... pbmus Dec 2016 #8
Voting against the winner of their state does exactly the opposite of protecting our country. BzaDem Dec 2016 #15
Your suppositions and assumptions are more than fatalistic.. pbmus Dec 2016 #23
I would LOVE for the electoral college to be abolished. BzaDem Dec 2016 #29
The rules that were universally acknowledged include the oath pbmus Dec 2016 #36
I'm not saying they are all legally bound to support him -- just that we will regret it if they dont BzaDem Dec 2016 #39
I totally disagree... In fact, we will regret it if they do support him.. pbmus Dec 2016 #40
Fuck that EricMaundry Dec 2016 #9
Trump is outright dangerous. Any mechanism that exists to prevent him from taking office 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #10
I don't think you really mean "any mechanism that exists." BzaDem Dec 2016 #13
An analogy is only as strong as it is on point. lapucelle Dec 2016 #12
Millions of people believe in the fantasy that HRC is not fit for office. BzaDem Dec 2016 #31
Your original question articulates a presumption about "everyone OK with this idea". lapucelle Dec 2016 #42
So which foreign power intervened on behalf of HRC? KamaAina Dec 2016 #14
Are you actually saying that any illegal publication of private information by a foreign government BzaDem Dec 2016 #17
No, I'm saying this goes far deeper than that. KamaAina Dec 2016 #18
If it were the case that a foreign government (or anyone else) caused a decisively-incorrect count BzaDem Dec 2016 #20
But flipping one state is plausible? KamaAina Dec 2016 #37
In a different, much closer election, the universe of potentially decisive events greatly expands BzaDem Dec 2016 #38
Why the electoral college should vote against Trump? kentuck Dec 2016 #22
They likely couldn't vote for Pence. They must pick from the top 3 EV vote-getters. BzaDem Dec 2016 #24
Interesting... kentuck Dec 2016 #25
Trump does not equal Clinton Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #27
Would that be like co-Presidents?? kentuck Dec 2016 #28
Clinton doing the work and Trump being the hype man Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #32
:)___% kentuck Dec 2016 #35
To answer your question if a foreign power installed HRC as president I could not countenance it./nt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #44
An intelligent post that sadly 99% of the people here will ignore or disagree with Lurks Often Dec 2016 #45
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