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Buckeye_Democrat

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111. Better messaging, I think.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:26 PM
Dec 2016

I saw LOTS of Trump voters arguing that "at least Trump earned his wealth" while likewise claiming that Bill and Hillary Clinton did not.

There's a big disconnect between Republicans and Democrats regarding wealth.
http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2016/02/03/our-economic-system-favors-the-rich-see-what-republicans-say/

56% of Republicans believed that "the rich deserve to be richer" or "the rich are smarter" or "the rich work harder" compared to only 8% of Democrats! There's very little difference in belief between wealthy and poor Democrats too.

Republican/Libertarian voters, even among the ones who aren't affluent, are more likely to think government taxes people who "earned" their money and gives it away to people who don't deserve it. It's a very fundamental belief that they accept without much thought, and conservative propagandists usually wrap the idea in personal terms -- e.g., "Do you think lazy people should take YOUR hard earned money?"

I think more of them need to realize that the greatest wealth often gets directed to people who are deemed "owners" rather than the people who contribute the most work. Look at the increased use of automated machinery in this country, for example. It took hard-working scientists, engineers, technicians and others to create that technology. Who benefits from it? Mostly fat cats who are "legal owners" of the technology and who wouldn't have the slightest clue how to create it.

I've worked with poor and hard-working people who argue against greater taxes on corporations and the wealthy because "they're the smart ones who give us jobs." I sometimes wonder if poor serfs spoke the same way about their king and queens, thanking them for the opportunity to grow crops and the like?

African Americans probably understand how the system works better than white people (especially the less educated ones), considering the history of plantation owners and slavery.

I'd also hope that more Americans will someday realize that redistribution of wealth makes the entire system stronger. If you play the board game Monopoly, all of the players have an opportunity for greater wealth if some players don't get "knocked out" of the game! Once those other players have been eliminated, who's going to land their game pieces on the winner's properties anymore?

I wish her husband well, but that's all the sympathy she's going to get from me. LeftofObama Dec 2016 #1
I hope she looses her healthcare stupid ass bigdarryl Dec 2016 #122
Neither did my cousin bravenak Dec 2016 #2
WTF? blue cat Dec 2016 #65
There are people who think awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #109
I don't have sympathy for her, because she's taking the rest of us down with her because of her RKP5637 Dec 2016 #3
I don't have sympathy for her, because she's taking the rest of us down with her because of her. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #8
Proud ignorance gets it exactly right. gvstn Dec 2016 #68
It seems many are proud of their ignorance. It seems to be an escape mechanism for being so RKP5637 Dec 2016 #71
It is sad and as you say pitiful. gvstn Dec 2016 #73
He will be left out of the future, a member of a dystopian society, his survival will be difficult. RKP5637 Dec 2016 #119
What I encounter is something I call "Belligerent Ignorance". They're "outraged SharonAnn Dec 2016 #117
Exactly and so sad. "Belligerent Ignorance." They have no future. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #120
"Belligerent Ignorance" gvstn Dec 2016 #125
Yet no radio, RV station or newspaper in her area .... lake loon Dec 2016 #102
Wait till this woman learns the GOP plans for Medicare and SOC SEC also. She said she was not riversedge Dec 2016 #4
Dumbass. And she thinks the coal jobs are going to come back. Because Squinch Dec 2016 #5
She believes the lies and doubts the truths world wide wally Dec 2016 #6
The Democratic slogan for the next election: "Now do you believe us, dumbasses??" Squinch Dec 2016 #7
OMG! world wide wally Dec 2016 #9
Yes! We need to change our message to appeal to her! Jettison all black people and women! Squinch Dec 2016 #11
I think it's more complicated than that. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #112
It's not more complicated than that. Every point you make about the people in your area Squinch Dec 2016 #135
Did you forget the sarcasm smiley? mcar Dec 2016 #48
Plus 1,000! rusty fender Dec 2016 #14
Seriously. I'm going to get a button and a bumper sticker made up. Squinch Dec 2016 #16
Won't matter. They will still blame Obama. kairos12 Dec 2016 #23
I will gladly donate as much as I can to any Democrat who runs with that slogan! LonePirate Dec 2016 #60
Love it!!! blue cat Dec 2016 #67
Trump seems like a businessman to those who know nothing about business Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #36
And they think "multiple bankruptcies" is a medical condition that they don't have to Squinch Dec 2016 #49
But he plays one on TV and that familiarity, just like Reagan and his acting career helps. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #113
A slow learner had to learn the hard way. lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #10
You can't have your cake and eat it CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #30
She didn't take his threats seriously? Aristus Dec 2016 #12
She should have more faith in her Donald. keithbvadu2 Dec 2016 #63
Except for the times awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #110
They were interviewing a farmer on NPR hollowdweller Dec 2016 #115
And despite the obvious bigotry any pundit would ignore it and focus on the bettyellen Dec 2016 #134
This is why America is flushing down the damn toilet! workinclasszero Dec 2016 #13
I Don't Think RobinA Dec 2016 #93
I don't feel sorry for her coolbreeze77 Dec 2016 #15
Sounds like she hates Hillary more than she loves bullwinkle428 Dec 2016 #17
No healtcare eq shorter life eq fewer Trump voters faster DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #18
Democrats will be deprived of health care as well. Mariana Dec 2016 #55
The fucking thing he told the truth about, Debbie.. sorry Cha Dec 2016 #19
This is suddenly very real to me, again. Ms. Toad Dec 2016 #20
Staples fired my brother precisely because he has health care needs. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #29
I hope he retained a good employment lawyer. Ms. Toad Dec 2016 #38
They made up some BS, and he'll never win. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #40
That's like when employers have to let 50 or more employees go... TheDebbieDee Dec 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #75
At one time, it was the ONLY way for people with pre-existing conditions Ms. Toad Dec 2016 #79
I'm a benefits manager Freddie Dec 2016 #127
This is almost half the country - pretty scary huh? NoMoreRepugs Dec 2016 #21
That's how I see it, too. Too many willfully ignorant people. yardwork Dec 2016 #72
Keep government out of my Medicare!! n/t hibbing Dec 2016 #22
Go to hell, lady. Thanks to those like you, we all have to suffer through this crud! C Moon Dec 2016 #24
I'm sorry she gambled her husband's life on a con man. Norbert Dec 2016 #25
Dumbass. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #26
We are at the mercy of people like this gratuitous Dec 2016 #27
You have hit the nail on the head! mtngirl47 Dec 2016 #57
Well, if she's still alive... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #28
Problem is ... lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #35
It staggers the mind, though... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #39
The thing is Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author Firebrand Gary Dec 2016 #31
But Trump spoke the truth! Always said what he thought! Roland99 Dec 2016 #32
One down 60 million to go superpatriotman Dec 2016 #33
I have trouble feeling sorry for an idiot who votes against their own economic interests Gothmog Dec 2016 #34
Let's be honest. She and her peers may well be her husband's death panel. Thor_MN Dec 2016 #37
Lets be super honest.... workinclasszero Dec 2016 #44
Can't say it enough - 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #41
That is my home county. kentuck Dec 2016 #42
Fuck this stupid moron lastone Dec 2016 #43
Stories like this, plus what just happened to my wife, make me glad I live in Germany DFW Dec 2016 #45
tfw people compare Germany and America and Germany is the forward-thinking one Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #54
The simple and unsatisfying answer is the emotions usually win over reason. Caliman73 Dec 2016 #132
I'll informed voters benld74 Dec 2016 #46
Well she better hope that her husband gets his liver before Jan 20th. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #47
Just proves, you can't fix stupid. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #50
Too bad meadowlark5 Dec 2016 #51
What a jackass SHRED Dec 2016 #52
We elected George bush twice, not once, twice... pbmus Dec 2016 #53
One guess who she voted for twice? Hortensis Dec 2016 #58
"they insist on being told what they want to hear" renate Dec 2016 #86
he stole it both times diane in sf Dec 2016 #87
There are tyrannical despots who don't believe the masses should be Ilsa Dec 2016 #56
i think the PTB want us to die Dream Girl Dec 2016 #59
I think you're right, even though they have Ilsa Dec 2016 #81
zero sympathy for this AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #61
Yea, I'm cold hearted! I have NO SYMPATHY for those voters who are now trying to think up napi21 Dec 2016 #62
My husband will be screwed as well maryellen99 Dec 2016 #64
He LIED Lady and I and million of others on Social Security and MEDICARE and Medicaid turbinetree Dec 2016 #66
Reminds me of my well-off aunt resistance2016 Dec 2016 #69
She doesn't care for Obama's policies..Bet she can't name any. Also, she screwed us all, SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #70
It's interesting Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #74
they should just admit they agree with his bigotry JI7 Dec 2016 #88
Yup. And so should a lot of us La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #98
Right Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #106
Absolutely ZERO sympathy. Personally, I hope he does take away your health insurance Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #76
I have NO sympathy for her. BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #77
her "family" has no future MFM008 Dec 2016 #78
But I thought he was a straight shooter who says what he means and means what he says DavidDvorkin Dec 2016 #80
they made their bed. OOPS is not good enough. hope it takes the GOP w/ his fat ass. pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #83
My tear ducts are dry. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #84
It's strange to think... jumptheshadow Dec 2016 #85
Alrighty then. Solly Mack Dec 2016 #89
Question.. what did she think he was "serious" about? Cha Dec 2016 #90
"Aw, shucks, he didn't mean nothin'." Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #91
IOW Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #107
Better messaging, I think. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #111
I don't get these people. I really, really can't comprehend voting against your own self interest. Vinca Dec 2016 #92
There might be more people who believe... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #94
Bill Gates worked hard to put together his fledgling business and grantcart Dec 2016 #121
Thanks. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #123
i've been hearing other anecdotes shireen Dec 2016 #95
What were these people thinking?! workinclasszero Dec 2016 #96
That he hated immigrants and blacks people La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #100
Why Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #108
"I never thought leopards would eat MY face..." mac56 Dec 2016 #97
That is awesome! I am totally going to steal that!! Coventina Dec 2016 #114
Meh. This is what happens when you vote with hate La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #99
Guess they should have 'taken him literally' whathehell Dec 2016 #101
Its all down to hate radio, hate press and hate cable/TV. BSdetect Dec 2016 #103
Idiot sticks. nt tblue37 Dec 2016 #104
n/s JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #105
"Im not really a fan of his policies, but I like the fact that he gave me health insurance" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #116
Maybe she can raise enough in a GoFundMe to bury him Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #118
she thought he would just take it away from "those other people" JI7 Dec 2016 #124
Well she got what she voted for CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #126
I cannot and will not condone willful ignorance. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #128
And they get mad when people call them stupid C_U_L8R Dec 2016 #129
What a dumbass underpants Dec 2016 #130
There's no fool like an old fool! One of my Dad's favorite lines Vogon_Glory Dec 2016 #133
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