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NanceGreggs

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Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:30 PM Dec 2016

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What we Democrats are up against is not something as clear-cut as an ideology that differs from Republican ideology. We are no longer doing battle with voters on “the other side of the aisle” based on achieving the same goals, while arguing what the best way to accomplish those goals should be.

It is a fact that there are Republicans we will never win over – in the same way there are Democrats who can never be lured to the other side. Things like the abortion issue, GLBT rights, gun control, and a clear separation of Church and State will always keep the majority of us firmly planted in one camp or the other.

But what we are really up against right now is the almost unbelievable stupidity of our nation’s voters – and saying “don’t call them stupid, because they’ll never vote for us if you do” is denying the obvious. They’ll never vote for us because they are stupid, and that is now an undeniable fact.

How do you win over someone who insists that 9/11 happened because President Obama was on vacation and was oblivious to what the intel was telling him? How do you convince someone that unemployment didn’t skyrocket on Obama’s watch, when they are convinced that it did? How do you combat the fallacy that it’s been proven that Obama IS a Kenyan-born Muslim who the whole world hates – and any and all evidence to the contrary has been cooked-up by a liberal media?

The truth is that the lies have become “the facts” to a wide swath of voters. You can point to all kinds of real facts, graphs, pie-charts, Excel spreadsheets, and various and sundry things that disprove what they believe – but they’ll just shake their heads and tell you that you’re wrong. They’ll tell you that Obama WAS the president when Katrina struck NOLA, that the Democrats promoted the idea that there were WMDs in Iraq, that Reagan’s trickle-down economics policy was a huge success that liberals refuse to acknowledge.

We can educate the ill-informed; we can enlighten the misled. But fighting rampant stupidity is fighting an enemy we seemingly can’t destroy.

I admit that I personally don’t know the answer as to how we respond to The Stupid, or how we even get them to listen to reason. I don’t know how we combat the bullshit being spewed, 24/7, by FOX-News, Rush Limbaugh, or Alex Jones. I don’t know how we get through to people whose minds are forever closed, people who have seen their American dream destroyed and yet, time and again, vote for the very people who destroy those dreams.

How do we combat the proudly dumb, the arrogantly mis-informed, those woefully bereft of facts who simply refuse to accept ANY views other than their own?

I’ve seen hundreds of posts, here and elsewhere, decrying the fact that Democrats lost this election because they failed to deliver “the right message” to enough voters. So what IS the “right message” that would have turned the tide in our favour?

I’m open to suggestions. I’d especially like to hear from the “Dems didn’t deliver the right message” crowd. I’d like to hear their strategy for convincing The Stupid that facts aren’t a serving suggestion open to debate, that the truth isn’t a moving target to be interpreted by Rush Limbaugh, and how people who believed that “outsourcer-in-chief” Donald Trump was going to bring their jobs back could have been convinced otherwise.

G’head – I’m listening.


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And the Winning Answer Is [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2016 OP
this wasn't a winnable election Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #1
I agree! leftofcool Dec 2016 #2
I disagree. It was damn close even with the Democrats putting up a famously disliked candidate. tclambert Dec 2016 #11
A few years ago she was incredibly popular. StevieM Dec 2016 #18
She was never incredibly popular. Egnever Dec 2016 #23
What you said deaniac21 Dec 2016 #24
Go check her poll numbers from when she was Secretary of State and immediately thereafter. StevieM Dec 2016 #33
Agree they had evil plans for any dem that ran lunasun Dec 2016 #26
"They would gnaw off their limbs before they voted for a Democrat." Different Drummer Dec 2016 #46
The media. Dems delivered the right message - but it was not passed on by the media. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #3
Polarization is ok - we need to accept that JDC Dec 2016 #4
He's already said something about being in office for 8 years. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #29
Maybe Cuban was discussing his campaign strategy Lonusca Dec 2016 #44
Oh, I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show Warpy Dec 2016 #5
Off topic Warpy Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #7
The political climate is distinctly ornery Warpy Dec 2016 #8
Pragmatism fails against shadow theory. Rex Dec 2016 #6
I agree that real pros pulled off this coup. 50 yrs from now (if there's even a US) we Nay Dec 2016 #25
Probably not. Rex Dec 2016 #42
I'm in Red Florida mcar Dec 2016 #9
There is only one way to get through to stupid people. world wide wally Dec 2016 #10
Nance, this is the best write up I've seen on DU since the election. Firebrand Gary Dec 2016 #12
IMO, the first thing the Dems need to do is stand up and fight when Pubs try to Nay Dec 2016 #27
I agree with the OP. It would be a waste of time to reach out to the hopelessly biased stupid people Trust Buster Dec 2016 #13
hmm AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #14
What you're pointing out is very important to keep reminding us eleny Dec 2016 #15
How about not buying into their wedge issues? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #16
So well stated... WiffenPoof Dec 2016 #17
eliminate EC, all paper, hand counted ballots, and/or seccession. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #19
KnR Nance Hekate Dec 2016 #20
Substitute "racist" and "racism" for "stupid" and "stupidity" Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #21
Great post Gothmog Dec 2016 #22
59% of the registered voters voted. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #28
What we shouldn't do is keep telling them they're stupid. alarimer Dec 2016 #34
Very well said. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #30
One modificaction to add to your excellent points: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #37
Excellent addition. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #38
42 underpants Dec 2016 #31
"Theyll never vote for us because they are stupid, and that is now an undeniable fact." Martin Eden Dec 2016 #32
The answer to winning is a lot more and harder work than I think many want to do. RedWedge Dec 2016 #35
Clearly, intelligent discussion of the nuances of complex issues doesn't work. tclambert Dec 2016 #39
I think you're onto something. n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #43
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #40
The main thing is that noone (from either side) trusts the media anymore, so facts AREN'T facts. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #41
You're the best, Nance. Don't be such a stranger. 11 Bravo Dec 2016 #45
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