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Egnever

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23. She was never incredibly popular.

Thu Dec 15, 2016, 10:32 AM

Dec 2016

She has been demonized since Bill first got into office and she stated she would be a working first lady. Hell she isn't even incredibly popular here and has not been since her IWR vote. Kerry had the same issue.

Sure he was swiftboated but if not for that IWR vote his dem support would have been much more solid.

She has a gut reaction to scandal that makes her go into defense mode no matter how valid the scandal. Her propensity to refuse to face up to issues is and has been her shortcoming for decades now. People have a very difficult time voting for someone who is so obviously politically calculating.

Trumps attraction to many was that he was viewed as being unafraid to speak his mind.

Despite that she would have still won if not for Comey. Trumps victory was razor thin. Without Comey he would have lost despite her flaws.

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And the Winning Answer Is [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2016 OP

this wasn't a winnable election Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #1

I agree! leftofcool Dec 2016 #2

I disagree. It was damn close even with the Democrats putting up a famously disliked candidate. tclambert Dec 2016 #11

A few years ago she was incredibly popular. StevieM Dec 2016 #18

She was never incredibly popular. Egnever Dec 2016 #23

What you said deaniac21 Dec 2016 #24

Go check her poll numbers from when she was Secretary of State and immediately thereafter. StevieM Dec 2016 #33

Agree they had evil plans for any dem that ran lunasun Dec 2016 #26

"They would gnaw off their limbs before they voted for a Democrat." Different Drummer Dec 2016 #46

The media. Dems delivered the right message - but it was not passed on by the media. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #3

Polarization is ok - we need to accept that JDC Dec 2016 #4

He's already said something about being in office for 8 years. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #29

Maybe Cuban was discussing his campaign strategy Lonusca Dec 2016 #44

Oh, I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show Warpy Dec 2016 #5

Off topic Warpy Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #7

The political climate is distinctly ornery Warpy Dec 2016 #8

Pragmatism fails against shadow theory. Rex Dec 2016 #6

I agree that real pros pulled off this coup. 50 yrs from now (if there's even a US) we Nay Dec 2016 #25

Probably not. Rex Dec 2016 #42

I'm in Red Florida mcar Dec 2016 #9

There is only one way to get through to stupid people. world wide wally Dec 2016 #10

Nance, this is the best write up I've seen on DU since the election. Firebrand Gary Dec 2016 #12

IMO, the first thing the Dems need to do is stand up and fight when Pubs try to Nay Dec 2016 #27

I agree with the OP. It would be a waste of time to reach out to the hopelessly biased stupid people Trust Buster Dec 2016 #13

hmm AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #14

What you're pointing out is very important to keep reminding us eleny Dec 2016 #15

How about not buying into their wedge issues? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #16

So well stated... WiffenPoof Dec 2016 #17

eliminate EC, all paper, hand counted ballots, and/or seccession. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #19

KnR Nance Hekate Dec 2016 #20

Substitute "racist" and "racism" for "stupid" and "stupidity" Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #21

Great post Gothmog Dec 2016 #22

59% of the registered voters voted. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #28

What we shouldn't do is keep telling them they're stupid. alarimer Dec 2016 #34

Very well said. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #30

One modificaction to add to your excellent points: guillaumeb Dec 2016 #37

Excellent addition. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #38

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"Theyll never vote for us because they are stupid, and that is now an undeniable fact." Martin Eden Dec 2016 #32

The answer to winning is a lot more and harder work than I think many want to do. RedWedge Dec 2016 #35

Clearly, intelligent discussion of the nuances of complex issues doesn't work. tclambert Dec 2016 #39

I think you're onto something. n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #43

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #40

The main thing is that noone (from either side) trusts the media anymore, so facts AREN'T facts. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #41

You're the best, Nance. Don't be such a stranger. 11 Bravo Dec 2016 #45