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HassleCat

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60. I was in from 1972 to 1978.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 07:41 PM
Dec 2016

My impression was that many people do join the military because they see too many John Wayne movies. A large proportion of those people join the Marines, as you might expect. I was in the Navy, in a technical field, and only one or two people I knew were hard core patriotic types. In my field, almost everyone was there for the technical training and experience. Even the SEAL team members who sometimes travelled on our ships were not "baby killer" types, although that was their job, obviously. I joined because I knew that my specialty would not put me in front of an angry yellow man with an AK-47. If I had not done this, I would have been drafted into the Army.

Yes, many people did believe some peasant in a rice paddy was part of communist aggression, which would envelope the world unless we opposed it with military force. This was very common thinking at the time. In fact, it may be very common thinking now, but with a different slant on it. Many citizens trust their government not to send them off to kill innocent people with no provocation. As we have seen, such faith is often severely misplaced, but not everyone discovers that before they decide to join up.

Part of the problem, a large part, in fact, is that we now have a professional military. The pay and benefits are pretty good, at least for those who make it a career. In return, we expect them to shut up and kill when told to kill, and not raise moral objections about it. Our military is very close to being a mercenary force, certainly much more so than when we had a draft and the citizen-soldier concept was still alive. We did this, not the people who serve. We intentionally set out to replace the citizen-soldier with the professional soldier, fully expecting that the professional soldier would be much less inclined to object to whatever we told him or her to do. So if there are many people in the military who joined up so they could kill, that's what we wanted. If we want it to be otherwise, we could return to the draft and the concept of the citizen-soldier.

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Yes, and it will include women this time greymattermom Dec 2016 #1
Better not unless they quickly pass the ERA. nt DURHAM D Dec 2016 #3
Supreme Court 14th amendment rulings have surpassed the ERA long ago. former9thward Dec 2016 #7
while the 14th Amendment at times has been interpreted to benefit women, it offers them no assurance LanternWaste Dec 2016 #18
Yup. n t Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #26
Enough political capital to reinstate a draft will also mean enough to include women without having Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #61
You mean create a new one? "THE" ERA is long dead. Thor_MN Dec 2016 #69
Some argue otherwise. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #72
I agree, there should be equal rights for everyone, but it is your point that is off point. Thor_MN Dec 2016 #73
Mostly the same people who join now will sign up-- Those who Hoyt Dec 2016 #2
Spoken like a man who has fuck-all experience in the military. linuxman Dec 2016 #8
Way to shit on the armed forces. I know many who serve honorably and who are not xenophobes NightWatcher Dec 2016 #9
Thanks Jersey Devil Dec 2016 #15
Don't know about your son-in-law, but some of the vilest insults I've heard about Muslims Hoyt Dec 2016 #44
No. Military supported george war bush, polls show they support Trump, and Hoyt Dec 2016 #19
A surprisingly large amount enlist to get money for school. Calculating Dec 2016 #23
We need to change that. Killing for school ought not to be their only option. Hoyt Dec 2016 #28
That is a sad truth etherealtruth Dec 2016 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Dec 2016 #31
The post you responded to is not in conflict with yours. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #33
I responded to a post calling troops racists and xenophobes NightWatcher Dec 2016 #56
My but you do go to great lengths to read SO MUCH more into comments Lil Missy Dec 2016 #68
You think THAT'S insulting? resistance2016 Dec 2016 #64
As a lifelong Democratic sarisataka Dec 2016 #67
Wow Calculating Dec 2016 #12
I can't begin to express my disgust at your besmirching my family and friends SQUEE Dec 2016 #16
The bar to enlist is not tough, don't kid yourself. I know several kids who Hoyt Dec 2016 #25
Flag on the play sarisataka Dec 2016 #34
Drugs and juvenile delinquency type stuff. I know darn well it happens. Hoyt Dec 2016 #37
take their problem kids and put them in military school. SQUEE Dec 2016 #43
Drug charges are the hardest convictions sarisataka Dec 2016 #49
Do you not get the Judge is giving the kid a choice -- go to trial and get convicted or join Hoyt Dec 2016 #57
And again SQUEE Dec 2016 #36
I took the test, my cat could have passed it too. Hoyt Dec 2016 #38
8 years ago is not recent. SQUEE Dec 2016 #41
Oh, the kid being told to join the military is like 5 years ago. Hoyt Dec 2016 #47
nice strawman. SQUEE Dec 2016 #50
So did you join up, or would you have, after bush invaded and killed thousands Hoyt Dec 2016 #53
I joined the Army under Poppy Bush SQUEE Dec 2016 #70
Daddy bush really wasn't that bad, but he shouldn't have killed quite so many Innocent Iraqis. Hoyt Dec 2016 #71
What a pathetic post, applying your usual broad brush attack against those in the military Lurks Often Dec 2016 #24
Another gunner promoting the MIC, not surprising. Hoyt Dec 2016 #39
Please reconsider this statement. HassleCat Dec 2016 #29
That's your prerogative. Are you in the category I described? If not, don't fret. Hoyt Dec 2016 #40
Yes, I am in the category. HassleCat Dec 2016 #46
That's obvious. My question was were you brought Hoyt Dec 2016 #48
Your initial post made a pretty sweeping generalization. HassleCat Dec 2016 #58
Are you denying SOME people join the military for guns, bombs, glory, and all that BS. Hoyt Dec 2016 #59
I was in from 1972 to 1978. HassleCat Dec 2016 #60
That's a commendable explanation. Navy was my preference too, well after the Coast Guard said I Hoyt Dec 2016 #63
Your autocorrect is seriously dorked. KamaAina Dec 2016 #52
The apparatus remains in place gratuitous Dec 2016 #4
The future is hopeless. deaniac21 Dec 2016 #5
Indeed Calculating Dec 2016 #11
Unlikely. Current warfare doesn't really involve the MineralMan Dec 2016 #6
Not so sure our military has outgrown the need for large numbers of warm bodies. Girard442 Dec 2016 #10
That's a good point, but the sheer number of people MineralMan Dec 2016 #20
I remember an interview years ago with a General or someone like that meadowlark5 Dec 2016 #32
IOW, the military doesn't want or need cannon fodder. DinahMoeHum Dec 2016 #45
my son turned 18 last Saturday 0rganism Dec 2016 #13
Your son is not going to be drafted Lurks Often Dec 2016 #27
and Donald Trump will definitely never be president, right? 0rganism Dec 2016 #30
Anybody who posted that Trump had a chance was ignored, mocked and alerted on. Lurks Often Dec 2016 #51
I think there are a lot of young, male fools out there who think Warpy Dec 2016 #14
Really? You think all who enlist are "fools" out for "glory"? (nt) Jersey Devil Dec 2016 #17
Hardly. I do think many of the ones looking for a fight under Twittler are Warpy Dec 2016 #21
Not this nonsense again Lurks Often Dec 2016 #22
I was in the army during 1964 thru 1967 zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #35
FYI zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #42
The US may have to. We are being cyber attacked by Russia, which is making moves on Europe... Hekate Dec 2016 #54
Maybe all of those sarisataka Dec 2016 #55
No. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #62
I hope so dumbcat Dec 2016 #65
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