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MineralMan

(151,100 posts)
8. Yes, there is that paradox, too.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

Sadly, we're losing small farms at an alarming rate, and that's been going on for a long, long time. There are no subsidies or price supports for citrus or avocados. There is a crop insurance program, but the costs for that are going up. Water for irrigation is going up, and citrus and avocados absolutely require irrigation most of the year there. The price my parents are paid for oranges has gone down steadily from what it was in the 1960s. And that's in actual dollars, not dollars adjusted for inflation. That's due to cheap imports of fruit from Mexico, Argentina and other countries, where costs are lower to grow the stuff.

Sadly, a number of crop diseases have been imported along with the fruit, and now there are new exotic diseases attacking citrus in particular. One of them has the potential to completely destroy all citrus growing in the United States within the next 20 years. It has already been found in the area where my parent's far is located, and the cost of unproven preventive measures against it is horrendous, too.

I'm not sure there is a solution to all of this. It's just one more thing that is damaging the US economy at its most basic level - food production. Add climate change to the equation and profitable farming may become impossible in much of this country at some point. What happens after that is sort of frightening to consider.

One of the problems Democrats face is that we recognize the problems, but don't really have a way to ameliorate them. That feces inspection I mentioned was instituted after a couple of outbreaks of E. coli from ground crops that are nothing like citrus, and from some imported crops. The response was to require all agricultural operations to inspect their properties for feces, regardless of whether contamination was even possible. The farmers understand how stupid it is. That affects them in their political decisions, for sure.

Things are a mess in all sectors of society, I'm afraid. Sadly, the wrong people get blamed all too often, and common sense is not common at all in government. Uff da!

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Just awful. Sadly many farmers are in the same situation yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #1
Your parents are still working at 92 yrs old? leftstreet Dec 2016 #2
Well, they hire some of the work to be done now, MineralMan Dec 2016 #4
My Grandpa worked up until he was 87. 47of74 Dec 2016 #24
Farmers in the midwest are not doing well, either, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #3
they see govt programs as giving free things to blacks and mexicans JI7 Dec 2016 #7
Yes, there is that paradox, too. MineralMan Dec 2016 #8
republicans have a great propaganda scam, that any and every bad regulation is the democrats' fault unblock Dec 2016 #5
But, see...I'm not blaming Democrats at all. MineralMan Dec 2016 #10
not blaming you at all, i'm thinking of the reasoning of others as well. unblock Dec 2016 #13
Early in the Clinton administration... Blanks Dec 2016 #16
agreed NJCher Dec 2016 #26
So for every occasional seeming over reach we scrap all safe guards? libtodeath Dec 2016 #6
No. We do tend to over-apply solutions to things beyond MineralMan Dec 2016 #9
Republicans have imposed uneeded regulations as a punitive measure - notably on abortion clinics bettyellen Dec 2016 #12
Do you know the history of that feces inspection rule? Jim__ Dec 2016 #11
It's perceptions that make the difference, not the actual history. MineralMan Dec 2016 #17
"It's not really a matter of facts. It's a matter of perceptions." Beartracks Dec 2016 #27
Yep. Here's an example from talk radio a few years ago... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #28
Thanks for your post. cwydro Dec 2016 #14
Unfortunately, most regulations will automatically get attached to Democrats because... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #15
Overall demand for avocados is skyrocketing. KamaAina Dec 2016 #18
Organic? Probably not. MineralMan Dec 2016 #19
A lot of that bullshit was backed by Agribusiness Warpy Dec 2016 #20
My parent's small farm, in the same county, got choked out by million dollar mini-ranches... hunter Dec 2016 #21
Yes, and after my parents are gone, their place MineralMan Dec 2016 #23
It still upsets me that trees I planted to live decades were pulled up and burned as weeds. hunter Dec 2016 #31
Should be difft regs for small guys hollowdweller Dec 2016 #22
What state? MineralMan Dec 2016 #25
Those fecal inspections aren't entirely nonsensical TheDormouse Dec 2016 #29
It's tough to stay competitive at that age TheDormouse Dec 2016 #30
I think rural voters are just more receptive to "cultural" messages TheDormouse Dec 2016 #32
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