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MineralMan

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88. Do you have a sister? A mother? A good friend who is a woman?

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:14 PM

Dec 2016

Race has nothing to do with my disgust at anyone who would line up to have sex with a woman who was under the influence of alcohol, or even if sober. I don't care who those young men are or what race they are. Decent people do not participate in stuff like that. They just don't. And I can't imagine a young woman consenting to "pulling train," either. Even if consent existed, it's a disgusting display of the worst possible elements of human nature.

If I encountered such a situation, I would do everything in my power to stop it from continuing. I have a sister. I have a wife. I have a mother. I have many women as friends. I would not allow such an event to continue if it was in any way possible to stop it. I can't imagine any circumstance where I would be a participant. It simply wouldn't happen. I have a conscience. I'd like to think that everyone does, but apparently that is not the case.

Race does not come into play in how I feel about this. Nobody's disputing that the serial sex by a line of men took place. That, in itself, is enough, as far as I am concerned, to deserve serious consequences.

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University of Minnesota Football Team Will Play Bowl Game - Sexual Assault Case [View all] MineralMan Dec 2016 OP

I don't understand why they weren't criminally prosecuted? FarCenter Dec 2016 #1

The DA apparently believed that the evidence was not sufficient MineralMan Dec 2016 #2

Here's a link to a U of M page: MineralMan Dec 2016 #3

Simply put, college sportsball teams are money makers for the school. And that Trumps everything. Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #38

Video deist99 Dec 2016 #52

....... obamanut2012 Dec 2016 #92

What is wrong with these young men? Tatiana Dec 2016 #4

I don't know, frankly. MineralMan Dec 2016 #6

You know the players committed sexual assault? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #61

I am fairly certain the victim would not have willingly consented to the events that occurred. Tatiana Dec 2016 #81

K&R... spanone Dec 2016 #5

Thank you. I've been very disturbed about this MineralMan Dec 2016 #7

i've been troubled for years on the importance put on sports over academics in many of our schools. spanone Dec 2016 #8

I'm disturbed by the rush to judgement NobodyHere Dec 2016 #63

Go Cougs! KamaAina Dec 2016 #9

Duke, Rolling Stone/UVA, etc. Without a jury verdict Kang Colby Dec 2016 #10

They had due process. However the University of Minnesota MrsMatt Dec 2016 #11

Well, there is a video... FarCenter Dec 2016 #12

"Entirely consensual". Kang Colby Dec 2016 #13

The university could simply expel them for unethical or immoral conduct FarCenter Dec 2016 #17

Yes, black men having sex is always considered immoral. AngryAmish Dec 2016 #22

Did you read the report? oberliner Dec 2016 #23

Riiiiiiight whathehell Dec 2016 #78

She says it was not consensual oberliner Dec 2016 #27

The men said it was consensual, the evidence favors these young men. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #29

I know it's hard for some to believe that a woman might not want to be gang raped oberliner Dec 2016 #32

It's easy to understand. Law enforcement investigated, found insufficient evidence to substantiate Kang Colby Dec 2016 #34

Men get away with sexually assaulting women quite frequently oberliner Dec 2016 #37

Before deist99 Dec 2016 #55

I would encourage you to read the report in this situation oberliner Dec 2016 #69

+1000 whathehell Dec 2016 #79

No crime is alleged, so innocence doesn't matter here. RedWedge Dec 2016 #39

It doesn't matter if she got up on the table and announced "I'LL FUCK EVERY GUY HERE" Coventina Dec 2016 #89

So, the men said they didn't commit a felony obamanut2012 Dec 2016 #93

Considering that this post was the first I knew of their races, I'm not sure you can chalk it mythology Dec 2016 #14

According to the police, there is allegedly video evidence Kang Colby Dec 2016 #16

Video evidence indicates the FIRST encounter may have been MrsMatt Dec 2016 #19

See post #12. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #21

Did you read the university report? oberliner Dec 2016 #28

I did. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #30

The woman's allegations have not been discredited oberliner Dec 2016 #44

The DA didn't agree. n/t Kang Colby Dec 2016 #45

Hennepin County prosecutors declined to press charges oberliner Dec 2016 #86

It's bemusing you're the only one projecting Post hoc ergo prompter hoc motive onto all speculation LanternWaste Dec 2016 #72

There is no consent if "drunk and impaired". whathehell Dec 2016 #76

Thank you! whathehell Dec 2016 #80

Wow, thanks for posting philosslayer Dec 2016 #18

Of course you would. MrsMatt Dec 2016 #20

So you think maybe this woman just made up a story about being raped? oberliner Dec 2016 #25

Reputation NobodyHere Dec 2016 #62

So in that scenario, she voluntary consented to have sex with multiple men over a few hours oberliner Dec 2016 #64

what a shocker obamanut2012 Dec 2016 #94

So you think the woman is lying? oberliner Dec 2016 #24

I can't speculate on why she made the allegations. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #26

So your assumption is that she is lying oberliner Dec 2016 #31

She made accusations. Why do you insist that these young men are guilty... Kang Colby Dec 2016 #33

Women who report sexual assault should be believed oberliner Dec 2016 #35

I hear what you are saying....but we need equity within our justice system Kang Colby Dec 2016 #36

I am not suggesting we convict anyone without a trial oberliner Dec 2016 #40

Well, that's exactly what the university did. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #42

No, they didn't oberliner Dec 2016 #48

Where in the code of conduct does it prohibit consensual group sex? Kang Colby Dec 2016 #50

I thought you had read the university report oberliner Dec 2016 #66

Malarkey deist99 Dec 2016 #58

That is the criminal justice system oberliner Dec 2016 #67

Can you walk me through why you feel that because a criminal charges weren't brought, RedWedge Dec 2016 #41

The men NEVER agreed they wouldn't participate in consensual group sex. eom Kang Colby Dec 2016 #43

The University of Minnesota has an affirmative consent policy. RedWedge Dec 2016 #46

There isn't sufficient evidence that she didn't say yes. n/t Kang Colby Dec 2016 #47

It's reasonable to assume she consented to the initial threesome. RedWedge Dec 2016 #49

Without context, "I don't want to" Kang Colby Dec 2016 #51

No, but someone who was there said it seemed like she didn't like it. RedWedge Dec 2016 #56

Thank you for the civility. eom Kang Colby Dec 2016 #59

Your rationalized consistency as to the innocence of males is heart-warming. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #74

I suspect your inability to "speculate" has more to do with whathehell Dec 2016 #83

Good point deist99 Dec 2016 #53

"she may have had a gang bang and then felt guilty about it afterwards and cried raped" oberliner Dec 2016 #54

It's happened before deist99 Dec 2016 #57

Have you read the university report? oberliner Dec 2016 #68

Yes deist99 Dec 2016 #70

Thanks for sharing your perspective oberliner Dec 2016 #82

Ditto deist99 Dec 2016 #87

So has gang rape...Statistically, rape is under reported, not over reported. whathehell Dec 2016 #84

You're a real corker, aren't you? obamanut2012 Dec 2016 #95

Sorry, Anyone participating in such a thing is lacking in morals. cwydro Dec 2016 #77

+100 whathehell Dec 2016 #85

yup obamanut2012 Dec 2016 #96

Do you have a sister? A mother? A good friend who is a woman? MineralMan Dec 2016 #88

So women are not allowed to have sex with multiple partners at once? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #90

Not at all. MineralMan Dec 2016 #99

Ok deist99 Dec 2016 #97

No, you don't have it at all. MineralMan Dec 2016 #98

I can't imagine what goes through the minds of guys who do this mythology Dec 2016 #15

Problem deist99 Dec 2016 #60

She took 4-5 shots of 100-proof vodka oberliner Dec 2016 #65

From the same report deist99 Dec 2016 #71

Right oberliner Dec 2016 #75

All of them should be expelled. alarimer Dec 2016 #73

The Duke Lacrosse players say "hi" NobodyHere Dec 2016 #91