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Shagman

(135 posts)
50. All about Death
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

I heard about a book but can't find it now. Titled "Death Denial" or something like that, it explains conservative thought as a constellation of fears anchored by the biggest one of all, fear of dying. (Could be this: Monbiot post.) We now know that conservatism is inherited, or at least genetic, because they have large amygdalas.

Fear of death ties into religion, because they all promise some kind of afterlife. You connect another fear to that one, and your message is reinforced by unquestioned dogma. Those boil down to fear of the unknown: other people, other cultures, other ideas. The scaffolding keeps getting bigger and shakier. It doesn't fall because it all goes back to death.To admit one thing is wrong is to admit it's all wrong. This is why politics and religion should never mix.

You can't appeal directly to fear, of course. It comes across as hatred. They make decisions based on emotion, not reason, so they never develop the ability to reflect on their own motivations. They aren't honest with themselves, so they tolerate people who aren't honest with them, as long as the lies reinforce their worldview. Denial becomes a way of life.

I don't think it's possible to make progress by educating them individually. You have to disrupt the infrastructure that spreads the lies, because they make sure everyone is hearing the same lies.

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Like the man who fell into the pit band at the play.... it's just a stage they are going through, 2on2u Jun 2012 #1
death rattle, cornered animal, last gasp desperation - they are soon to become irrelevant - extinct. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #2
Yes, they are doomed to extinction. Speck Tater Jun 2012 #7
Sadly I agree so much with you, that given the current course RKP5637 Jun 2012 #12
More like mass hypnosis - see: Germany, 1939. Zalatix Jun 2012 #33
From a time and place that never existed but only in their minds. RegieRocker Jun 2012 #3
I think this has been going on since the days of protests against the VN war and women southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #4
good point. DesertFlower Jun 2012 #8
Am 64 and my dad wouldn't let me out on the streets, LOL. I respected my dad yet southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #23
I'm 64 and when I got home I joined in madokie Jun 2012 #38
I've been hoping they would all die off since the 50's and they are RKP5637 Jun 2012 #13
Well I grew up in that generation however I got to travel the world and that opens your southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #18
Oh, I wasn't talking about the protesters, I was with them. I'm speaking of RKP5637 Jun 2012 #27
I agree. Primary on that list was Cheney, Romney. What kills me is Romney actually southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #45
I'd been prisoner number whatever if someone actually spit on me madokie Jun 2012 #39
I totally agree with you. Our congress and senate let these Vet's down. southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #44
Fear It comes from the fear of losing control of their lives. The only problem is that they don't upaloopa Jun 2012 #5
RW teabaggers/Republicans maryellen99 Jun 2012 #37
"Fear that they will become the minority and will get the same treatment they now give minorities" Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #46
+1,000,000! So they go out and buy up all their guns, fearful that we Knee-Grows are out Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #52
I also wonder if there isn't a little sub-conscious guilt about all that sub-conscious racism, too. lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #64
The Republicans have jumped off a cliff into an abyss of radical insanity. MrScorpio Jun 2012 #6
Yep, they just absolutely hate the black men in office. It's sooo sad RKP5637 Jun 2012 #28
I think Newt Gingrich deserves the most credit for the current level of vitriol. Laurian Jun 2012 #9
The Reaganites were pretty bad too.... YoungDemCA Jun 2012 #11
Yep, I think it was pretty much a packaged deal, they played off RKP5637 Jun 2012 #14
Gingrich and Limbaugh have credit for the current weaponized vitriol JHB Jun 2012 #43
'They' is made up of many 'thems,' elleng Jun 2012 #10
Writhing as the white majority has slipped into a large minority. Stinky The Clown Jun 2012 #15
yep grasswire Jun 2012 #17
This really made a rightwing acquaintance mad when I said: OKNancy Jun 2012 #16
Maybe socially, but not economically. They're reversing the middle class gains of the 20th century. Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #72
I actually have an honest answer for you: A very close friend has helped me figure it out: lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #19
Thanks for your answer YoungDemCA Jun 2012 #35
Yes, you're right. Some people learn to be better from difficult situations. lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #61
I have a slightly shorter version of it from my own experience, but a similar take: hatrack Jun 2012 #47
May be....but that's true of me too, and I'm about the most bleeding heart liberal you could raccoon Jun 2012 #53
Yes: Our fathers inveset us with identity: So these emotionally bankrupt zanies lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #63
that's kinda hard to follow hfojvt Jun 2012 #65
Fear of change. Fear of the unknown. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #20
Yes, condemn those silly aboriginees who believe in their invisible lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #67
Where does all their hate come from? clang1 Jun 2012 #21
Overpopulation tabasco Jun 2012 #22
Self-loathing for the pissants. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #24
It is all about selfishness, plain and simple. n/t Hotler Jun 2012 #25
Yep, that's pretty much the foundation of it all. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #29
They are behaving like infants who should be reigned in "gimmee gimmee more more mine mine mine" Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #66
Fear. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #26
I often wonder, do you think it's conditioned or inherited? n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #30
Both YoungDemCA Jun 2012 #31
And then when mixed with hatred and Hate-Radio, it's a pretty lethal combination. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #42
The reactive part of the brain YoungDemCA Jun 2012 #32
Very true. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #40
Reagan and baby Bush are toughs with swagger. McGovern and Kerry are wimps with medals. ieoeja Jun 2012 #49
Excellent Post...ON the Mark WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #34
I think they all scored low on the TMI index, causing them to lash their hate at others. Initech Jun 2012 #36
"The winds of change are blowin...America is back!" lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #74
Hater gonna hate. SmileyRose Jun 2012 #41
It's rooted in their fear. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #48
All about Death Shagman Jun 2012 #50
You have to disrupt the infrastructure that spreads the lies- the corporate media Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #69
Everything is about race, even when it's not supposed to be. Republicans have ran Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #51
I think it comes from believing that they are superior to everyone else. And jillan Jun 2012 #54
Tribal identity. They define themselves by what we oppose. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #55
Fear stoked by a constant drumbeat against the "other" hifiguy Jun 2012 #56
I think that they are busy making a last-ditch effort to "bake" their ideology into the cake Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #57
Smell the fear. Fear makes people act badly. The richest men are often compensating for deep seated McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #58
1) Billionaires' insatiable greed;2) RW mouthpieces stoke fear & anger... VOX Jun 2012 #59
I sure know where mine is coming from. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #60
God is Love Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #62
It's a tool n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #68
Ya Got Me RobinA Jun 2012 #70
FEAR for themselves, who see "the other" as threatening to life... polichick Jun 2012 #71
Yes n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #73
What's really unforgivable ailsagirl Jun 2012 #75
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