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muriel_volestrangler

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29. No, the analogy to a bridge rectifier is unfounded
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:06 AM
Jun 2012

In that, an EMF reverses direction, and diodes allow an alternate path for current to flow, so that the output still has the same direction of current as before. But the force due to the wind does not reverse. When a force is in the same direction as a part moves, you can extract energy from it (eg with a piston). But when the force is in the opposite direction to the movement, you need another force to oppose the wind force. Just think of it as a weight moving up and down - the force of gravity is constantly down, and you can extract energy as the weight moves down, but you can't extract energy again as the weight moves up.

To be like a rectifier, you'd need valves to reverse the flow of air over the sail. You could do that, in a tunnel, but it's not what this is doing.

What objects were you playing with? Did they have a flexible stem, for instance? Or are you saying the wind sucked the cup back, against the flow of the wind - and, if so, why does it suck when the object is moving in one direction, and blow when it's moving in the other?



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I'd love that on my hill! We are a perfect wind site BlueToTheBone Jun 2012 #1
Very, very cool! Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2012 #2
I'm Skeptical. drm604 Jun 2012 #3
As we have discovered all too often kentauros Jun 2012 #11
But I can't even tell what they're proposing. drm604 Jun 2012 #12
It wasn't clear in the article, but I understood what it said TalkingDog Jun 2012 #16
I know. kentauros Jun 2012 #18
it works like THIS - but with air instead of water - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcTNkoyvLFs piratefish08 Jun 2012 #14
At some point the "sail" must push back against the wind Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #33
See the link to the patent in #32 muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #34
That PDF is completely irrelevant muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #4
Why aren't buoy generators in wider use? They make sense and have no environmental impact. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #5
Pretty expensive to build, install and maintain, I think muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #8
Yeah, but aluminum shafts with plastic bouys and copper cores aren't going to deteriorate. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #9
Aluminum and copper in proximity in salt water HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #25
This looks promising. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #6
perfect!! hahahareally Jun 2012 #7
Video has ZERO information about the actual product lol - expensive vid tho nt msongs Jun 2012 #10
How many times have we seen excited threads about some supposed new innovation drm604 Jun 2012 #13
And we'll keep right on reacting like that. bluedigger Jun 2012 #17
I think it's a scam. Why is there no animation of the "Saphonian" in action in the video? DetlefK Jun 2012 #15
Sails were the energy source for boats and ships for a long time. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #19
Sailing boats moved from place to place. drm604 Jun 2012 #20
Ironically, turbines work like a modern sail; these are like square-riggers for half the time muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #23
I wouldn't think there would be a flexing mast madokie Jun 2012 #26
I can't see how it could push hydraulic fluid both ways muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #27
I know from playing with various objects in the wind madokie Jun 2012 #28
No, the analogy to a bridge rectifier is unfounded muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #29
I was referring to the direction of the oil flow madokie Jun 2012 #30
Well, if it does move side-to-side, then the link to 'thousands of years old' technology muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #31
I've looked at their patent muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #32
I couldn't make any sense of that patent at all madokie Jun 2012 #35
. Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #36
It does seem like a large flapping sail would cause a lot of noise. drm604 Jun 2012 #21
I'll wait until I see it work 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #22
I wanna make one! nt daaron Jun 2012 #24
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