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MountCleaners

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85. I come from a white working-class background...

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:56 AM

Dec 2016

And I don't think anyone needs to learn anything from anyone. When you grow up in a community where people don't have money, the schools suffer and a culture develops that is suspicious of education, or anything outside your blue collar bubble.

My dad was a Democrat, my grandparents were proud union Democrats, I can't make excuses for alleged "working class" people who refuse to become civilized and preserve their defensive "dog eat dog" culture as ECONOMICALLY they become more middle class. And I've seen these Trump supporters, they drive expensive trucks or ride expensive motorcycles and don't live a truly working-class lifestyle. In fact, being truly disadvantaged is embarrassing to these people. Upwardly mobile TRASH is more like what they are.

I grew up with guns, too, and guns aren't necessarily "working class". Neither is living in a rural area. My Democrat grandfather was both rural AND a gun owner. He would find today's political gun culture disgraceful. Used to be, if you had guns, you didn't get emotional, you didn't make a huge spectacle out of the fact you had them. You didn't indulge in this trashy, aggressive culture the gun people have today. These people just lie, full stop.

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Do you REALLY want to understand Trumpers and white working-class voters? Please read this. Please. [View all] DetlefK Dec 2016 OP

And yet: if not for millions of votes lost to voter suppression, the Russians interference, pnwmom Dec 2016 #1

It was an avalanche of tiny problems. DetlefK Dec 2016 #4

Hillary was proposing a major infrastructure program, and with interest rates pnwmom Dec 2016 #5

It doesn't matter what the Dems propose forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #11

Rigged Media NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #23

I think the mercuryblues Dec 2016 #28

A query quakerboy Dec 2016 #88

they were empowered by a weakened Voting Rights Activists, for one thing fishwax Dec 2016 #93

The Reeps stole the election. ananda Dec 2016 #36

Fixing voter suppression, jailing James Comey and fixing hacking is harder work than believing uponit7771 Dec 2016 #59

A man of true insight. tenorly Dec 2016 #2

? treestar Dec 2016 #25

He might have gotten a kick out of the conspiracy theory Bush had him killed though. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #51

lol treestar Dec 2016 #53

Scary, because Trump doesn't have to succeed Granny M Dec 2016 #3

ANY apocalypse annabanana Dec 2016 #6

And a lot of them sense that they, personally, will do fine in the case of social Nay Dec 2016 #34

I agree get the red out Dec 2016 #17

Right. They'll keep voting for trump, especially if the repugs finally approve . . . brush Dec 2016 #41

Great quote from LBJ Granny M Dec 2016 #48

+1, ... or embrace Russia as long as their lives aren't affected uponit7771 Dec 2016 #60

K&R TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #7

Interesting dembotoz Dec 2016 #8

Trump will steal us all blind while his supporters.... Stellar Dec 2016 #9

Thank you for posting. Bookmarked, recommended, kicked. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #10

ordinary, uneducated, hard-working people - TOTAL BULLSHIT HAB911 Dec 2016 #12

Yep. treestar Dec 2016 #26

Plus, the avg Twitler voter made more money than avg HRC voter uponit7771 Dec 2016 #61

Have we tried offering a living wage to do that? quakerboy Dec 2016 #89

Not personally, but I can read HAB911 Dec 2016 #92

No thanks kcr Dec 2016 #13

I don't think that's a valid conclusion. I agree they're bullies. But it seems to me the conclusion KittyWampus Dec 2016 #54

If you agree they're bullies, then how is my point not valid? kcr Dec 2016 #66

You implied we need to do what bullies want. Have a good week! KittyWampus Dec 2016 #67

The biker community is somewhat more diversified now. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #14

I have a few biker friends radical noodle Dec 2016 #37

You have to be careful with generalizations. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #49

I didn't mean it as a generalization radical noodle Dec 2016 #50

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #15

Hillary failed to connect with The Wizard Dec 2016 #16

Nail on head. Ding! n/t BREMPRO Dec 2016 #18

i've wondered if trump's actual goal barbtries Dec 2016 #19

I recall a magazine article I read after Reagan got elected..... lastlib Dec 2016 #20

If Trump voters were only from that demographic, Hillary would have won. noel711 Dec 2016 #21

Yup. n/t progressoid Dec 2016 #22

Marking for later read underpants Dec 2016 #24

A good read Achilleaze Dec 2016 #27

They had no sympathy for us MFM008 Dec 2016 #29

Precious snowflakes come in all shapes and sizes BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #30

Here is where I disagree BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #31

No you dont "NEED" that degree. You can make good money in trade work. 7962 Dec 2016 #32

Votech has been gutted in this country so people have no idea the trades can be so lucrative forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #33

Good info. This should be a part of the DEM platform and used in stump speeches brush Dec 2016 #44

YEP! Cosmocat Dec 2016 #58

I agree nt 7962 Dec 2016 #68

WHO .... doesn't 'need' that degree?! You see the UE rate for non degree PoC? Come on people uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

You dont need the degree regardless of your color. Read my post 7962 Dec 2016 #69

so true KT2000 Dec 2016 #83

I bet there are many people like you with personal experience like this. 7962 Dec 2016 #84

Time to organize. littlemissmartypants Dec 2016 #35

Blame minorities for their own short comings. we can do it Dec 2016 #38

By all means, let's try to connect with the "Them Ivry Leaguers can't tell me whot to do" population NBachers Dec 2016 #39

Yes! It goes like this Land Shark Dec 2016 #40

According to Thompson these people would kill you or give you a serious beating if they could. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #42

I live work and socialize witb "deplorables" Land Shark Dec 2016 #86

Get them back? The Deplorables can sit and spin on the cosmic utensil until they rot, TYVM. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #65

Lots Of Truth From The Good Doc colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #43

We are at the point of no return it seems. Like the opening scene of Idocracy. JTFrog Dec 2016 #45

These are racist criminals. Men who choose to live "outside the law" and fund their existence jalan48 Dec 2016 #46

Now THIS is interesting ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #47

your post reminds me of the movie "Crash" yodermon Dec 2016 #55

Heh! ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #72

+1, "Still, they are fairly well off and white and in rural Arizona. " this is what's not making ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63

They are actually on a tropical vacation as I speak ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #73

Shitler isn't offending elites, he's attacking those people who voted for him with his actions. onecaliberal Dec 2016 #52

I understand what you are saying ellie Dec 2016 #56

+1, I'm really sick of hearing how non PoC in America have it bad... fuck, we have it worse always uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64

"white working-class" ? Raggaemon Dec 2016 #57

That's because during the 50's, 60's, and 70's, that class was the majority voters. haele Dec 2016 #70

No pride in elegant, functional code? AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #71

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The fact remains Clinton was a massively flawed candidate. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #81

Best explanation I have read re : trump supporters. kacekwl Dec 2016 #75

Wow! Delphinus Dec 2016 #76

yeah, yeah yeah heaven05 Dec 2016 #77

Well said Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #78

Great Post! BadGimp Dec 2016 #79

Way too broad a brush - nt rumdude Dec 2016 #80

Yea well the stupid fuckers got this.. pbmus Dec 2016 #82

I come from a white working-class background... MountCleaners Dec 2016 #85

Well said..and welcome to DU pbmus Dec 2016 #87

This has nothing to do what happened to this country. duffyduff Dec 2016 #90

The so-called "Silent Majority" that I saw carry signs at Trump rallys were never silent Boomerproud Dec 2016 #91

WOW even Uday & Qusay can't get poor white trash to work HAB911 Dec 2016 #94