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Proud Liberal Dem

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85. Yes but

Reply to MovingForward2020 (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:41 PM

Dec 2016

it also gave us Clinton (X2) and Obama (X2). And please, let's try to remember that if Hillary was PEOTUS and Republicans were running a similar campaign to get electors to deny/replace her, we would be outraged (rightly). I'm not happy about the fact that we had "faithless Electors" on our side voting for other candidates. Even with the hacked DNC e-mails by Russia and even though we all know here that Trump is going to be a disaster for this country, there was never any serious reason for us to believe that Republican Electors would deny Trump the Presidency and/or throw it into the House. Time for us to unite and resist the oncoming Trumpsaster. The Republicans were able to tie President Obama and Congressional Democrats in knots. We can do the same to Trump.

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The electoral vote today showed why Democrats lose [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

There was never a serious electors campaign because no viable alternative was ever promoted. LonePirate Dec 2016 #1

They still tried to defect BainsBane Dec 2016 #4

Those might have been strategic defections exboyfil Dec 2016 #8

Quit looking for zebras when the goddamn horse is standing in front of us all. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #39

Thank you, Maru. n/t susanna Dec 2016 #47

Oh for fuck's sake. nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #61

I'm pretty sure it was strategic in some cases. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #64

So the Repubs talked the Dems into voting for a compromise candidate, and then the Pubs Nay Dec 2016 #90

Well, I can't recall exactly OnionPatch Dec 2016 #92

Thanks. I can't believe any Dems fell for that. Or offered the plan. Jesus. nt Nay Dec 2016 #97

Without a single viable candidate to receive defected electoral votes, it was not a serious campaign LonePirate Dec 2016 #13

This was not an attempt at defection. It was to ensure that if the choice got to the House Ms. Toad Dec 2016 #15

No. former9thward Dec 2016 #89

The geographic bias is interesting HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #126

There is no bias. former9thward Dec 2016 #132

It's time to try to get rid of the Electoral College. MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #2

It's impossible to do within the system Calculating Dec 2016 #12

Unfortunately that's true at this time, but we need to work on it anyway. MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #17

It can essentially be done by an end-around move. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #21

How? WillowTree Dec 2016 #74

The interstate compact approach has pitfalls eniwetok Dec 2016 #81

States can choose their electors any way they want NobodyHere Dec 2016 #112

That's the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #117

Link to Wikipedia article on the NPVIC MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #118

Yes, or at least treestar Dec 2016 #72

Yes but Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #85

Bill Clinton and Obama both won the popular vote, though. MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #116

It's been tried before, and hopefully can be tried again at some point (article link included) MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #119

There was never any real hope of changing the outcome The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #3

Not my point BainsBane Dec 2016 #5

Those were interesting defections. sfwriter Dec 2016 #11

Hillary wasn't a divisive candidate. Maven Dec 2016 #65

It probably wasn't a good idea to make a major part of the campaign an attack on... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #121

It struck me as more tactical than strategic. sfwriter Dec 2016 #125

Too many PURISTS DURHAM D Dec 2016 #6

I don't even think it's that BainsBane Dec 2016 #7

You are right. lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #9

It's gotten a lot worse since then. Nt BainsBane Dec 2016 #10

We all loved the video from the actors and celebs... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #14

Yes. BainsBane Dec 2016 #25

they despise them because they are about inclusiveness. they love the Trumps, Reagan, JI7 Dec 2016 #27

They despise them blue cat Dec 2016 #99

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #16

Case in point BainsBane Dec 2016 #34

Yes. Ideologues bought GOP lies Skidmore Dec 2016 #50

Wow! This is it exactly. radical noodle Dec 2016 #54

I think that we're going to stay losers. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #18

This too Calculating Dec 2016 #19

It's not just a strategic point. A large % of the population recognizes that we are *LYING*. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #22

Indeed Calculating Dec 2016 #31

If what you say were true, voters should have flocked to Bernie Sanders kcr Dec 2016 #60

Not exactly. A lot of gun nuts see the dems as the party of gun control. So even if an dionysus Dec 2016 #122

I'm perfectly happy to drop the gun issue. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #120

We are way too fractured inwiththenew Dec 2016 #20

I agree, so how do we fix this? Nt Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #123

i don't think these people are progressives, liberals etc. JI7 Dec 2016 #23

Thank you for your OP, BB. Tis true.. We lose because too many Cha Dec 2016 #24

The electoral system has a built in bias to overcome. That isn't 'acting like losers.' fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #26

Seems a bit off target to me. jimlup Dec 2016 #28

Dems don't cheat. That's why we lose. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #29

and we're incapable of effectively calling them out on it. unblock Dec 2016 #30

I'm still befuddled by how Clinton was supposed to win by a landslide... C Moon Dec 2016 #32

Yup. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #35

Blame the DLC for running losers.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #38

This is the problem. Election fraud and rainy Dec 2016 #52

The people want a revolution elmac Dec 2016 #33

What makes you think you know what "the people" want? BainsBane Dec 2016 #107

Glad they have a full block option on DU elmac Dec 2016 #110

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #36

Why do Hillary supporters blame everyone for their lack of loyalty? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #37

It's Easier... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #42

Fine BainsBane Dec 2016 #56

"Hillary supporters"? Maven Dec 2016 #66

Because if everyone else had gotten the fuck in line like the Repubs did GaYellowDawg Dec 2016 #106

Hillary Supportes are looking at REALITY. Cha Dec 2016 #40

If that were true they'd stop blaming Bernie. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #45

Please stop insulting our integrity. Cha Dec 2016 #49

If it walks and talks like a spoiler..... JTFrog Dec 2016 #63

Correct. But they can never accept that he did anything wrong. Maven Dec 2016 #67

Did you vote for the nominee of our party? brush Dec 2016 #78

"Hillary Supportes are looking at REALITY." - perhaps, but still not understanding it. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #102

All you have are insults. Cha Dec 2016 #115

For God's Sake... DonaldsRump Dec 2016 #41

Look... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #43

And my point is... DonaldsRump Dec 2016 #44

according to the polls, WI and MI were in the bag pstokely Dec 2016 #68

+1! berksdem Dec 2016 #131

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #46

I'm glad you're so optimistic about the future BainsBane Dec 2016 #58

Indeed.... nil desperandum Dec 2016 #70

Another utterly tedious Bernie-bash thread melman Dec 2016 #48

It quite clearly is not that. BainsBane Dec 2016 #55

Please allow me to respond with a different perspective menoz Dec 2016 #51

What an open-minded perspective! HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #128

If you think the Democrats are bad that way, you should see the British Labour Party LeftishBrit Dec 2016 #53

Don't forget a couple more factors MichMan Dec 2016 #57

Those nil desperandum Dec 2016 #73

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #62

Please try harder, and enjoy your stay. nt Maven Dec 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #75

Yes, this! A thousand times. treestar Dec 2016 #71

Putting blame in the wrong place MrPurple Dec 2016 #83

Our diversity - and differences - are what... Whiskeytide Dec 2016 #76

If Hillary had 272 delegates, no one would have defected MrPurple Dec 2016 #77

That's not really the point BainsBane Dec 2016 #79

They were so "unified" that less people voted for Trump than people who voted for Clinton. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #104

It showed nothing oof the sort! man on the moonshine Dec 2016 #80

Your analysis isn't consistent with the larger trends zipplewrath Dec 2016 #82

What was third way or conservative about Clinton's policy positions? BainsBane Dec 2016 #86

Because it isn't driven by individual speaches zipplewrath Dec 2016 #87

So policy is irrelevant BainsBane Dec 2016 #91

Can be zipplewrath Dec 2016 #95

You are arguing the problem is that she was Third Way BainsBane Dec 2016 #98

Third Way message zipplewrath Dec 2016 #103

If that were true BainsBane Dec 2016 #109

You're trying really hard to avoid the point. zipplewrath Dec 2016 #113

We lose because ultimately too many Democrats or progressives care more about getting their way tha Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #84

I could have sworn Democrats won the Presidency in 2008. That primary campain... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #105

thank you. N/T. okieinpain Dec 2016 #88

The Democratic electors were not properly vetted Gothmog Dec 2016 #93

The Dems have to play hardball that way BainsBane Dec 2016 #94

I agree-I was just pointing out how the selection of electors was done in another state Gothmog Dec 2016 #124

Yes. The Democratic faithless electors need to pay a price Gothmog Dec 2016 #134

So in a properly vetted state, faithless electors will never exist? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #129

K & R JHan Dec 2016 #96

This sums up the whole election season in a nutshell. Joe941 Dec 2016 #100

So much Hillary hatred Generator Dec 2016 #101

How did OBAMA fail her? Blaming him is a very tired tack. CakeGrrl Dec 2016 #133

The Republicans are masters as inciting division within our party. joshcryer Dec 2016 #108

Wow, we are in for it, for the next four years yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #111

intelligence can be a curse AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #114

Bane, I may have fought with you a few times, but DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #127

Unless Democrats can learn to pull on the rope together, we are doomed Kilgore Dec 2016 #130