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BainsBane

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98. You are arguing the problem is that she was Third Way

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 02:11 PM

Dec 2016

but that wasn't the problem because she isn't Third Way. Even you couldn't point to a Third Way position she took. Rather, her husband had been Third Way. Moreover, average voters don't think about such things. That is something a segment of the Dem party does. You can't argue that both that the party isn't progressive enough and that policy doesn't matter. The two points are fundamentally incompatible.

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The electoral vote today showed why Democrats lose [View all] BainsBane Dec 2016 OP

There was never a serious electors campaign because no viable alternative was ever promoted. LonePirate Dec 2016 #1

They still tried to defect BainsBane Dec 2016 #4

Those might have been strategic defections exboyfil Dec 2016 #8

Quit looking for zebras when the goddamn horse is standing in front of us all. Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #39

Thank you, Maru. n/t susanna Dec 2016 #47

Oh for fuck's sake. nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #61

I'm pretty sure it was strategic in some cases. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #64

So the Repubs talked the Dems into voting for a compromise candidate, and then the Pubs Nay Dec 2016 #90

Well, I can't recall exactly OnionPatch Dec 2016 #92

Thanks. I can't believe any Dems fell for that. Or offered the plan. Jesus. nt Nay Dec 2016 #97

Without a single viable candidate to receive defected electoral votes, it was not a serious campaign LonePirate Dec 2016 #13

This was not an attempt at defection. It was to ensure that if the choice got to the House Ms. Toad Dec 2016 #15

No. former9thward Dec 2016 #89

The geographic bias is interesting HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #126

There is no bias. former9thward Dec 2016 #132

It's time to try to get rid of the Electoral College. MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #2

It's impossible to do within the system Calculating Dec 2016 #12

Unfortunately that's true at this time, but we need to work on it anyway. MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #17

It can essentially be done by an end-around move. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #21

How? WillowTree Dec 2016 #74

The interstate compact approach has pitfalls eniwetok Dec 2016 #81

States can choose their electors any way they want NobodyHere Dec 2016 #112

That's the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #117

Link to Wikipedia article on the NPVIC MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #118

Yes, or at least treestar Dec 2016 #72

Yes but Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #85

Bill Clinton and Obama both won the popular vote, though. MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #116

It's been tried before, and hopefully can be tried again at some point (article link included) MovingForward2020 Dec 2016 #119

There was never any real hope of changing the outcome The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #3

Not my point BainsBane Dec 2016 #5

Those were interesting defections. sfwriter Dec 2016 #11

Hillary wasn't a divisive candidate. Maven Dec 2016 #65

It probably wasn't a good idea to make a major part of the campaign an attack on... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #121

It struck me as more tactical than strategic. sfwriter Dec 2016 #125

Too many PURISTS DURHAM D Dec 2016 #6

I don't even think it's that BainsBane Dec 2016 #7

You are right. lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #9

It's gotten a lot worse since then. Nt BainsBane Dec 2016 #10

We all loved the video from the actors and celebs... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #14

Yes. BainsBane Dec 2016 #25

they despise them because they are about inclusiveness. they love the Trumps, Reagan, JI7 Dec 2016 #27

They despise them blue cat Dec 2016 #99

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Case in point BainsBane Dec 2016 #34

Yes. Ideologues bought GOP lies Skidmore Dec 2016 #50

Wow! This is it exactly. radical noodle Dec 2016 #54

I think that we're going to stay losers. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #18

This too Calculating Dec 2016 #19

It's not just a strategic point. A large % of the population recognizes that we are *LYING*. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #22

Indeed Calculating Dec 2016 #31

If what you say were true, voters should have flocked to Bernie Sanders kcr Dec 2016 #60

Not exactly. A lot of gun nuts see the dems as the party of gun control. So even if an dionysus Dec 2016 #122

I'm perfectly happy to drop the gun issue. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #120

We are way too fractured inwiththenew Dec 2016 #20

I agree, so how do we fix this? Nt Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #123

i don't think these people are progressives, liberals etc. JI7 Dec 2016 #23

Thank you for your OP, BB. Tis true.. We lose because too many Cha Dec 2016 #24

The electoral system has a built in bias to overcome. That isn't 'acting like losers.' fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #26

Seems a bit off target to me. jimlup Dec 2016 #28

Dems don't cheat. That's why we lose. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #29

and we're incapable of effectively calling them out on it. unblock Dec 2016 #30

I'm still befuddled by how Clinton was supposed to win by a landslide... C Moon Dec 2016 #32

Yup. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #35

Blame the DLC for running losers.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #38

This is the problem. Election fraud and rainy Dec 2016 #52

The people want a revolution elmac Dec 2016 #33

What makes you think you know what "the people" want? BainsBane Dec 2016 #107

Glad they have a full block option on DU elmac Dec 2016 #110

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #36

Why do Hillary supporters blame everyone for their lack of loyalty? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #37

It's Easier... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #42

Fine BainsBane Dec 2016 #56

"Hillary supporters"? Maven Dec 2016 #66

Because if everyone else had gotten the fuck in line like the Repubs did GaYellowDawg Dec 2016 #106

Hillary Supportes are looking at REALITY. Cha Dec 2016 #40

If that were true they'd stop blaming Bernie. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #45

Please stop insulting our integrity. Cha Dec 2016 #49

If it walks and talks like a spoiler..... JTFrog Dec 2016 #63

Correct. But they can never accept that he did anything wrong. Maven Dec 2016 #67

Did you vote for the nominee of our party? brush Dec 2016 #78

"Hillary Supportes are looking at REALITY." - perhaps, but still not understanding it. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #102

All you have are insults. Cha Dec 2016 #115

For God's Sake... DonaldsRump Dec 2016 #41

Look... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #43

And my point is... DonaldsRump Dec 2016 #44

according to the polls, WI and MI were in the bag pstokely Dec 2016 #68

+1! berksdem Dec 2016 #131

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I'm glad you're so optimistic about the future BainsBane Dec 2016 #58

Indeed.... nil desperandum Dec 2016 #70

Another utterly tedious Bernie-bash thread melman Dec 2016 #48

It quite clearly is not that. BainsBane Dec 2016 #55

Please allow me to respond with a different perspective menoz Dec 2016 #51

What an open-minded perspective! HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #128

If you think the Democrats are bad that way, you should see the British Labour Party LeftishBrit Dec 2016 #53

Don't forget a couple more factors MichMan Dec 2016 #57

Those nil desperandum Dec 2016 #73

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #62

Please try harder, and enjoy your stay. nt Maven Dec 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #75

Yes, this! A thousand times. treestar Dec 2016 #71

Putting blame in the wrong place MrPurple Dec 2016 #83

Our diversity - and differences - are what... Whiskeytide Dec 2016 #76

If Hillary had 272 delegates, no one would have defected MrPurple Dec 2016 #77

That's not really the point BainsBane Dec 2016 #79

They were so "unified" that less people voted for Trump than people who voted for Clinton. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #104

It showed nothing oof the sort! man on the moonshine Dec 2016 #80

Your analysis isn't consistent with the larger trends zipplewrath Dec 2016 #82

What was third way or conservative about Clinton's policy positions? BainsBane Dec 2016 #86

Because it isn't driven by individual speaches zipplewrath Dec 2016 #87

So policy is irrelevant BainsBane Dec 2016 #91

Can be zipplewrath Dec 2016 #95

You are arguing the problem is that she was Third Way BainsBane Dec 2016 #98

Third Way message zipplewrath Dec 2016 #103

If that were true BainsBane Dec 2016 #109

You're trying really hard to avoid the point. zipplewrath Dec 2016 #113

We lose because ultimately too many Democrats or progressives care more about getting their way tha Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #84

I could have sworn Democrats won the Presidency in 2008. That primary campain... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #105

thank you. N/T. okieinpain Dec 2016 #88

The Democratic electors were not properly vetted Gothmog Dec 2016 #93

The Dems have to play hardball that way BainsBane Dec 2016 #94

I agree-I was just pointing out how the selection of electors was done in another state Gothmog Dec 2016 #124

Yes. The Democratic faithless electors need to pay a price Gothmog Dec 2016 #134

So in a properly vetted state, faithless electors will never exist? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #129

K & R JHan Dec 2016 #96

This sums up the whole election season in a nutshell. Joe941 Dec 2016 #100

So much Hillary hatred Generator Dec 2016 #101

How did OBAMA fail her? Blaming him is a very tired tack. CakeGrrl Dec 2016 #133

The Republicans are masters as inciting division within our party. joshcryer Dec 2016 #108

Wow, we are in for it, for the next four years yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #111

intelligence can be a curse AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #114

Bane, I may have fought with you a few times, but DonCoquixote Dec 2016 #127

Unless Democrats can learn to pull on the rope together, we are doomed Kilgore Dec 2016 #130