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32. Voting alone doesn't make a system democratic: REPRESENTATION DOES.

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:16 PM

Dec 2016

Expanding voting is desirable... but alone it doesn't make a system democratic. REPRESENTATION DOES. One person one vote is somewhat meaningless if all votes aren't equal in terms of representation

With or without those amendments... would that have changed the antidemocratic EC allotment system, or that 18% of the US population gets 52% of the seats in the Senate, or that states with a mere 4% of the US population can block any amendment?

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Democratic Reforms Held Hostage To Absurd Amendment Process [View all] eniwetok Dec 2016 OP

We need more rural voters metroins Dec 2016 #1

not sure where the connection is... eniwetok Dec 2016 #2

It's only reform proof right now metroins Dec 2016 #9

so you want to game the system eniwetok Dec 2016 #10

I agree Kilgore Dec 2016 #4

I don't buy into the red/blue model eniwetok Dec 2016 #8

But it has been amended 27 times since written Kilgore Dec 2016 #3

where did I say it was impossible? eniwetok Dec 2016 #6

Fair enough Kilgore Dec 2016 #20

That is demonstrably not true. Calista241 Dec 2016 #26

Voting alone doesn't make a system democratic: REPRESENTATION DOES. eniwetok Dec 2016 #32

just wondering why you fled the thread? eniwetok Jan 2017 #66

We need a 10th Amendment solution to amending the Constitution meow2u3 Dec 2016 #5

we have to eliminate the bottlenecks... eniwetok Dec 2016 #7

I'm thinking in terms of the way state constitutional amendments are passed meow2u3 Dec 2016 #12

you lost me n/t eniwetok Jan 2017 #67

It's also confusing to me n/t meow2u3 Jan 2017 #68

the people can't learn... eniwetok Dec 2016 #11

The 17th amendment got rid of an undemocratic feature Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #13

hardly eniwetok Dec 2016 #17

It changed it by making the election of Senators more democratic. onenote Dec 2016 #44

I'm not slavish to 1787 politics eniwetok Dec 2016 #45

'I have more respect for myself.' - apparently you don't as you appear to voluntarily live in one... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #54

was there a point hidden in... eniwetok Dec 2016 #57

The 19th amendment got rid of an undemocratic feature Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #14

it's clear you're not thinking this through eniwetok Dec 2016 #21

The 26th amendment got rid of an undemocratic feature Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #15

wrong again eniwetok Dec 2016 #22

the breakdown already covers all your "examples" eniwetok Dec 2016 #25

The 24th amendment got rid of an undemocratic feature Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #16

The 23rd amendment got rid of an undemocratic feature Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #18

wrong again eniwetok Dec 2016 #24

The 15th amendment got rid of an undemocratic feature Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #19

wrong again eniwetok Dec 2016 #23

Amending the Constitution is very deliberately difficult. MineralMan Dec 2016 #27

I have NO problems with making amendments diffucult eniwetok Dec 2016 #28

Yes. It's far from a perfect system. No question. MineralMan Dec 2016 #30

and yet if it's not reformed... eniwetok Dec 2016 #34

The GOP would pass an anti-flag burning amendment if they could streamline the process, tblue37 Dec 2016 #39

can't agree... eniwetok Dec 2016 #48

I believe there is more danger than hope in the idea of constitutional reform csziggy Dec 2016 #55

Yes. That is the risk, which is why MineralMan Dec 2016 #56

Maybe you have not read the 27 amendments. former9thward Dec 2016 #29

OF COURSE I READ THEM! eniwetok Dec 2016 #31

It is clear you have your own personal definition former9thward Dec 2016 #33

pray tell... what IS democracy? eniwetok Dec 2016 #35

and sorry.... it's not my "personal definition" eniwetok Dec 2016 #36

outstanding issues you haven't responded to... eniwetok Dec 2016 #49

It's fun to pretend someone holding a premise different than our own does so out of ignorance. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #37

I guess you have not read all the replies by the OP to others in the thread. former9thward Dec 2016 #38

I Read It As LW Sticking Up For You ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #40

Maybe since various posts have double negatives, incuding mine, former9thward Dec 2016 #41

I Still Sense The Chicago In You! ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #43

no... I believe it's adherence to the Civic Religion eniwetok Dec 2016 #46

sorry if you're STILL not grasping what the discussion is about. eniwetok Dec 2016 #52

Let's stop and think about this for a minute kudzu22 Dec 2016 #42

perhaps if you read the thread.. eniwetok Dec 2016 #47

But we're not a democracy as formed. We're a republic made up of states. WillowTree Dec 2016 #58

Show me where a "republic" MUST be antidemocratic... eniwetok Dec 2016 #63

It's not that I and others don't understand what you're saying. WillowTree Dec 2016 #64

here's the problem as I see it... eniwetok Dec 2016 #65

The EC and most if not all gunz should be done away with but we are hostage libtodeath Dec 2016 #50

I believe a majority wants universal background checks... eniwetok Dec 2016 #51

jose garcia fled the thread... eniwetok Dec 2016 #53

Maybe if you were more adamant about your opinion dumbcat Dec 2016 #59

on insulting intelligence... eniwetok Dec 2016 #60

Rant against reality dumbcat Dec 2016 #61

thanks for another content-free post eniwetok Dec 2016 #62