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137. Right....

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:42 PM

Dec 2016

have you heard Pelosi's comment that the Democratic party should just "stay the course"? So I'm supposed to just look the other way and proclaim my allegiance? I have this really bad habit of thinking for myself. And as such, when something smells rotten, I don't just dive in because someone tells me it's really good. It's sometimes tough having a brain and practicing the art of objective thinking with it.

"Kool-Ade good! You drink!"

" Ahhh... No thank you." - even tho I might be thirsty as hell.

Where are we in DC and the state houses now? Yes, yes, it's my fault. I'm a retired veteran who is anything but well off - and who the DNC couldn't care less about if they tried. I gave about 4 grand to folks with a (D) or an (I) next to their names this time around. My checking account WINCED every time I gave to those I favored, but I thought it was the right thing to do. My only solace is that I didn't just hand it over to the DNC.
Again, as I'm sure you'll point out to me - my fault (and the faults of others like me).

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A note to some people who are finally calling for everyone to join together [View all] MineralMan Dec 2016 OP

Amen. People who until yesterday were loudly La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #1

Yep, I think that actually being a Democrat is a requirement for even being in the discussion ehrnst Dec 2016 #125

We need closed primaries and we need to get rid of causes Gothmog Dec 2016 #134

Caucuses, yes. Closed primaries serve an important purpose. ehrnst Dec 2016 #155

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #2

And yet, we had a choice between two candidates MineralMan Dec 2016 #4

I don't entirely disagree, but... Whiskeytide Dec 2016 #84

We offered a lot to mainstream America radical noodle Dec 2016 #121

We offer a lot to mainstream Americans mountain grammy Dec 2016 #129

Hillary Clinton hotrod0808 Dec 2016 #138

We failed to show up Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #154

So just give up then? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #131

Yeah, OMalley was really screwed from the beginning :rolleyes: uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5

oh that is not how to make friends dembotoz Dec 2016 #63

Don't know what you responded to... but I was an O'Malley supporters who watched as nary a Sanders KittyWampus Dec 2016 #91

+1, right now its a trust issue... this election was way important for the pettiness that was shown uponit7771 Dec 2016 #3

The DNC flagrantly violated it's own rules to favor one candidate. Was that pettiness or just WRONG? think Dec 2016 #6

The DNC didn't keep any of the candidates from putting resources into the "southern states" so uponit7771 Dec 2016 #10

Really? Plucketeer Dec 2016 #34

Red herring, it also had nothing to do with primary candidates purposefully skipping "southern uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

Please point to where Plucketeer Dec 2016 #71

Strawman, I'm responding to your intimation in your response in this child thread that DWS had uponit7771 Dec 2016 #74

Not to butt in, but I believe that person was responding directly to your comments. George II Dec 2016 #117

Right.... Plucketeer Dec 2016 #137

That 3 million number is so misleading. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #40

OK ... she won by 1 million and that's still a mile... I don't see how that helps the JPR type ... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64

any objective person hfojvt Dec 2016 #87

I didn't say to use the caucus percentages. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #110

I've seen estimates of the caucus states votes, and they were just a fraction of the turnout... George II Dec 2016 #116

I agree caucuses should be eliminated. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #119

I don't see any reason to believe he would have won caucus states hfojvt Dec 2016 #144

Non binding primaries mean nothing. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #153

the Democrat? DrDan Dec 2016 #24

How dare they! DawgHouse Dec 2016 #89

The DNC allowed a lifelong 'independent' to make a serious run as a "Democrat"? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #26

And the DNC didn't hack its own firewall to steal information. One campaign did though brush Dec 2016 #43

No, they did not. George II Dec 2016 #104

They sure did,& it will be a cold day in Hell before they let an Independent sucker them again.... Hekate Dec 2016 #109

That talking point is simply false Gothmog Dec 2016 #135

This needs to be an OP and it should be bookmarked by many Hekate Dec 2016 #148

It already is' and he 's been spamming with it ever since... dionysus Dec 2016 #167

Thank you. Yes. MineralMan Dec 2016 #7

The fact that every Democrat running for Senate in a swing state, lost to the still_one Dec 2016 #8

Yes. Clearly. MineralMan Dec 2016 #12

So there were no bent voting machines of any kind in Waukesha county? Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #54

If they Wabbajack_ Dec 2016 #58

The digital fix was only built to guarantee the White House and Senate went GOP. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #75

Everything plays a role in every election. MineralMan Dec 2016 #77

well he has lost twice now hfojvt Dec 2016 #94

Yes, he has. Unfortunately, I must say. MineralMan Dec 2016 #95

I don't believe WE should have a "canidate selection process" hfojvt Dec 2016 #98

By WE, I meant the voters. MineralMan Dec 2016 #101

I'm with you, BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #102

Absolutely Nothing will make Trump legitimate let alone qualified. randr Dec 2016 #9

Thank you MineralMan, for saying what needs to be said. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #11

My pleasure. Truly. MineralMan Dec 2016 #13

It will be interesting to see how you keep your bitterness fresh. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #14

Not bitterness, but a lesson bitterly learned. We learn from our mistakes. Nitram Dec 2016 #17

Oh, I'm sure some will give me fresh reasons for bitterness MineralMan Dec 2016 #18

Can you point to it? zipplewrath Dec 2016 #29

Sure: MineralMan Dec 2016 #30

I unsubscribed from this *because* of the lack of unity. The OP is spot on. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #47

Yes. Thank you. MineralMan Dec 2016 #49

Wasn't WP the guy who refered to Obama as a used car salesman? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #78

The very same Hekate Dec 2016 #149

Yes. tecelote Dec 2016 #56

When progressives yelled about those faulty machines in 2000 and 2004, the corporate Dems yurbud Dec 2016 #65

Agreed. This is something where we can make a difference. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #107

If it doesn't have a way to do a manual recount, it shouldn't be used. yurbud Dec 2016 #168

Agree on all points. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #169

Oh bull. Blame it on faulty machines and Comey's interference. hunter Dec 2016 #81

You don't find many greens and independents in red precincts. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #108

What sort of "efficiency?" hunter Dec 2016 #114

Let's run elections like every vote matters. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #115

If every vote mattered, Clinton would be President. hunter Dec 2016 #127

That's my point. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #128

Amen, Brother. Nitram Dec 2016 #15

Well honestly I disagree jimlup Dec 2016 #16

I'm not angry about any primaries. We had them, and had a nominee. MineralMan Dec 2016 #19

Then I honestly don't know who you mean jimlup Dec 2016 #23

Sounds like your wife is exactly the kind of person MM is talking about. stopbush Dec 2016 #31

Because she is my wife I'm not really into talking about it here jimlup Dec 2016 #139

Every voter has a right to vote as he or she sees fit. MineralMan Dec 2016 #48

So I guess I really don't know who you mean jimlup Dec 2016 #140

The point of this thread melman Dec 2016 #160

Then you missed the point by a mile. Too bad. Hekate Dec 2016 #163

But there were many times that number blocked from voting by Bettie Dec 2016 #72

As far as unitfying against trump, I agree. However, anyone who willfully refused to still_one Dec 2016 #22

I think the current strength of the GOP is an illusion that may well fall apart quickly Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #70

I agree but I don't think it will end well jimlup Dec 2016 #141

k&r Liberal_in_LA Dec 2016 #20

I'm hearing you... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #21

"Stupid" should be the word of the year. "Stupid has conquered all and made our country "stupid" world wide wally Dec 2016 #25

Well said! SnowCritter Dec 2016 #67

Without unity we will have eight years of the orange man, with unity we can limit him to four years Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #27

Thanks MineralMan. JHan Dec 2016 #28

I'm thinking that some should really be focused MineralMan Dec 2016 #32

I'm thinking they're trying a "tea party" zipplewrath Dec 2016 #41

The biggest mistake of the democrat party was to nominate Clinton zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #42

Democrat party? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #82

Republic party is controlling the language better HopeAgain Dec 2016 #106

I did not know that. zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #156

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #33

Difficult to count on people who run in the other direction when things don't go exactly their way. seaglass Dec 2016 #35

I really, really like Keith Ellison. MineralMan Dec 2016 #37

great post +10000000.. JHan Dec 2016 #38

I like Keith Ellison a lot as well NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #55

Keith Ellison is terrific. I am also willing to bet he will fail some 'purity test' once he's head emulatorloo Dec 2016 #59

"people who constantly railed against the Democratic Party" jack_krass Dec 2016 #85

Hear Here! druidity33 Dec 2016 #112

Ive been here since 2002. I know exactly what that means. There are people who wear their.... Hekate Dec 2016 #158

I still see posted here that "Clinton just wasn't *exciting*" or she was "the lesser of two evils". baldguy Dec 2016 #36

Focusing our attention on... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #39

What did Will Rogers say? SHRED Dec 2016 #44

Obama's elections should have been a clue... SHRED Dec 2016 #45

Yawn elmac Dec 2016 #46

Thanks for taking the time to read it, anyway. MineralMan Dec 2016 #50

I read your posts because I think you are a good writer and generally well informed... Javaman Dec 2016 #57

I, too, am a man of patience. Out of necessity. MineralMan Dec 2016 #79

zzzzzzzzzzz.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #142

And the circular firing squad continues elmac Dec 2016 #51

Small correction. HassleCat Dec 2016 #130

Great post Gothmog Dec 2016 #52

Exactly. "Unity" is not the optimal choice right now. TygrBright Dec 2016 #53

He wants a wall. madamesilverspurs Dec 2016 #60

to the corporate wing of the Democratic Party, "unity" means leave the driving to us yurbud Dec 2016 #61

Why don't we all unify around issues instead of a person? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #66

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #83

The whole "Democrats fall in love - Republicans fall in line" has got to stop.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #99

For the simple reason that people's names are on the ballot, while the Party platform Hekate Dec 2016 #159

Nobody is on the ballot anymore. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #161

K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #68

as much as I tend to agree with this, I think if Trump didn't unify liberals, I don't know what will Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #69

Well, he certainly should have, if only to prevent his election. MineralMan Dec 2016 #92

it was close and several factors appear to have swung it to Trump Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #100

I have no sympathy for those who have deliberately tried to divide us. anniebelle Dec 2016 #150

I hear you. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #73

Then there is only one path forward. HassleCat Dec 2016 #76

We had the election we had. We always do. MineralMan Dec 2016 #80

They only want unity liquid diamond Dec 2016 #86

It's a trojan horse. DawgHouse Dec 2016 #88

So this is what it looks like when our calm sage MinMan loses his temper Hekate Dec 2016 #90

Pretty scary, huh? MineralMan Dec 2016 #93

I have a great deal of anger that I am dealing with Gothmog Dec 2016 #133

K&R Jamaal510 Dec 2016 #96

Our way or the highway? HopeAgain Dec 2016 #97

+1 TonyPDX Dec 2016 #143

Excellent points, sir. Thank you. Off direction, but what we're seeing now reminds me of..... George II Dec 2016 #103

There are always atheists in fox holes, MineralMan Dec 2016 #105

LOL Gothmog Dec 2016 #132

K&R, obviously betsuni Dec 2016 #111

I agree brer cat Dec 2016 #113

A lot of the people calling for "unity" NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #118

A time and place for everything. A time to build bridges. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2016 #120

"Hillary is too stupid to be President." SixString Dec 2016 #122

Yes. That was over eight years ago. MineralMan Dec 2016 #123

One wrong statement doesn't make the "horse wobbly" gulliver Dec 2016 #124

My goodness, SixString, you came all the way out of retirement to dredge that up? Hekate Dec 2016 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author SixString Dec 2016 #164

Let me just memorialize your statement to me: "Geez, you're one stupid fuck." Hekate Dec 2016 #165

Adios. SixString Dec 2016 #166

Damn, that was one nasty comment to you. No wonder he/she self deleted it. George II Dec 2016 #171

What makes it truly special is that *I* got alerted on! Hekate Dec 2016 #172

True shenmue Dec 2016 #126

We don't have the option of not being unified if we are to survive this disastrous administration. Tatiana Dec 2016 #136

Catastrophes bring people together. Do we wait for one created by Trump? YOHABLO Dec 2016 #145

Don't write those folks off. Remember 2000. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #146

I hope that people can learn--and that they will learn from this. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #147

"calls for separation in the past" Martin Eden Dec 2016 #151

"I don't believe you" Roy Rolling Dec 2016 #152

Leopards don't change their spots Cary Dec 2016 #157

When the trumpsters start, I just answer them... Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2016 #170

I'm not sure if the OP is sincere or a comedy sketch. Exilednight Dec 2016 #173