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Spider Jerusalem

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32. Ha. No. That's just absurd.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 05:02 PM
Dec 2016

If McCain had won in 2008, rather than Obama, I don't think I'd have felt anything close to what I felt on learning Trump had carried the Electoral College. McCain has many faults, but he's relatively decent, for a Republican, seems to have sincere principles, and I believe he's a patriot (who I happen to have some disagreements with, as the man himself said to the woman who called Obama a Muslim on the campaign trail). McCain would've been a credible president; Palin as VP would've been a disaster, but if McCain had won she'd be Dan Quayle 2.0, not the darling of the Tea Party right.

Trump, on the other hand, has no principles, and his highest loyalty is to himself. He only cares about what's good for Trump; what feeds his ego and gives him a sense of his own importance. Had McCain won, I'd have been disappointed, but McCain wasn't someone manifestly unfit for the presidency whose election heralded the incipient death of American democracy as we've known it, and McCain wouldn't have gotten us into a war with China over intemperate words on Twitter (as I half expect Trump probably will).

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They love to drag us to their level -_- JHan Dec 2016 #1
true... the best I figure is deep down they are very worried too and are using this as an Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #4
did obama win the presidency after losing the popular vote by 3 million? no La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #2
Absolutely. Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #6
That three sentence explanation is apparently way over the heads of Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #52
No, they don't get the red out Dec 2016 #3
They have an entirely different view of reality. Arkansas Granny Dec 2016 #5
yes, I've heard that. I've tried to reason with them, and they insist that Obama was anti-cop and Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #7
ignorance bdamomma Dec 2016 #41
That's what foxscrews told them and they don't think for themselves. Cha Dec 2016 #57
+1, ppp poll 67% or Benedict Donald's Band Of Bigots believed the UE rate increased at end of uponit7771 Dec 2016 #33
You answered your own question... TheDebbieDee Dec 2016 #8
I don't see how Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #9
Uh, there was a lot of steamrollling, and rightly so. Every Republican voted against the ACA. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #16
But the point is Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2016 #26
Then we will obstruct everything like the Rethuglicans... RiverStone Dec 2016 #10
No sane person can. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #11
the operative word is "sane"--which those people clearly are not. niyad Dec 2016 #12
Obama is crazy and dangerous! A Kenyan-born Muslim terrorist! HassleCat Dec 2016 #13
(you left out "socialist"....) lastlib Dec 2016 #15
Muslin tclambert Dec 2016 #24
They may see Obama that way, but the difference is that the things Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #53
They love to drag people down to their level forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #14
It shows how shallow they are treestar Dec 2016 #17
Bush 2 might be a bit more of an apt comparison War Horse Dec 2016 #18
Any fears that they may have had about Obama were unfounded. Fears about Trump are well founded. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #19
The future of our great nation, stolen. ffr Dec 2016 #20
You answered your own question Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #21
They live in a world of false equivalencies SeattleVet Dec 2016 #22
They believe being black was WORSE. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #23
I suppose it was more of a shock to their system than having a white madman elected Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #46
I say fornicate you to these conservatives.... 47of74 Dec 2016 #25
Goes to show what overgrown children they are. tenorly Dec 2016 #27
Numbers: POTUS winners 2008: 52.9%. 2012: 51.1%. 2016: 46%. mwooldri Dec 2016 #28
And Trump got a lower percentage than Hillary. July Dec 2016 #42
IF they are watching FOX NEWS they are Brainwashed.... yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #29
This is about soooooooooo... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #30
IKR? Yet very mild-mannered ladies at my work said this-- now I know what they felt like Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #47
Did anyone actually read the article? SCantiGOP Dec 2016 #31
I read it and it's nothing but gun porn BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #39
While I basically agree with you SCantiGOP Dec 2016 #44
No matter how "armed" the populace may be BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #45
Even if some redneck militia had the firepower... Blanks Dec 2016 #51
"Send snacks" BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #56
Ha. No. That's just absurd. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2016 #32
This wasn't comparable by any circumstances. Initech Dec 2016 #34
NO YOU FUCKING DO NOT Skittles Dec 2016 #35
A bunch of horse shit as usual. BigDemVoter123 Dec 2016 #36
I didn't even feel nearly this bad in 2004. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #37
Yep, 2004 sucked big time... but this is like 100 times worse Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #48
some right wing radio show told them to say that, so lots will repeat it. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #38
I have Republicans in my family, and... MountCleaners Dec 2016 #40
good point... though I know seemingly decent people where I live who think Trump's election Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #49
More useless Gun Nut propaganda. Don't waste your time. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #43
2008 was a landslide. Obama had a mandate trump doesn't. coolbreeze77 Dec 2016 #50
They are not "sane" jimlup Dec 2016 #54
And here we are, 8 years later- the dow has tripled since 2009, unemployment is lower than ever Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #55
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