Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
22. I don't have the time to dig up hard statistics... but
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jun 2012

I can say (being a firearm enthusiast in the thick of it all)... the AWB made these "assault weapons" and high cap mags extremely popular.

When the law passed there a run on everything AWB related right off the get go. AR15s, AKs/MAC90s, TEC pistols, magazines... even non AWB banned rifles that simply looked scary became popular (SKS & Mini14). Remember, all preexisting items remained legal as they were grandfathered and the manufactures knew this was coming so they ramped up mfg capacity before the effective ban date. So if it wasn't somewhat popular before the ban, it was sell-out popular during the ban. And the 1st day of the ban warehouses and shelves were stocked with legal pre-ban assault weapon stuff.

And when supply of newly made pre-AWB stuff began to dry up or prices got too high then the items that became popular were the "ban-compliant" models. Items that were still legal and on the ragged-edge of the law. Basically, they were renamed models of then banned firearms with one or two VERY minor changes to make them legal. Common changes for AR15 & AK47 type rifles involved removing a flash hider, pinning the stock (AR15), and grinding off the bayonet lugs (seriously, who uses bayonets anymore). Other than that the rifle mechanisms operated 100% the same, used the same mags, used the same bullets, had the same rate of fire, and basically looked the same. For all intents and purposes, the ban-era rifles were the same as the pre-ban rifles. The only pistols really affected by the ban were the UZI clones, MAC clones, and IntraTEC pistols... and even then just removing the shrouds & barrel threads made them legal again.

As I said before, the only somewhat annoying part of the ban was the 10 round magazine limit. Of course, new and used pre-ban magazines were plentiful and never really got prohibitively expensive so if you owned 2 or 3 for a gun you were set. Even if you couldn't get a hold of a high capacity mag for a decent price, the legal 10 round mags were cheap and it only takes a second or so to swap out a new mag/clip. Basically, it only takes an extra 3-5 seconds to blow off 30 rounds with ban compliant mags when compared to a 30 round mag.

Basically, as you are no doubt beginning to discern, the ban-era assault weapons were 100% just as lethal, scary looking, and rapid firing as the pre-ban "assault weapons". There just plain was no practical real-world difference whatsoever imparted onto the usefulness/deadliness of the guns. So it comes as no surprise that there was NO demonstrable benefit (decrease in crime/casualties) from having the ban in place. At the end of 10 years, Bush stated he would sign the renewal if it made it to his desk. However, the people who supported renewing the ban could not even demonstrate any actual statistical benefits... and congress never voted to renew it. It's not about, "How many expected human lives is it worth for 10,000 "sportsment" to be able to shoot the heads off deer? It's about an AWB that offered nothing to society yet cost many democrats their seats in congress. Pretty poor trade, IMO, and the same thing would happen today if Obama somehow reinstated an AWB.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

No, the assault weapon ban was pretty weak. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #1
How many military-style weapons and large clips were sold per quarter before ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #8
I don't have the time to dig up hard statistics... but OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #22
You'd think laws that say "No gunrunning to Mexico or anywhere else." would be enough Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #2
OK, you asked for it so here's my opinion and you probably won't like it. slackmaster Jun 2012 #3
Spot on! (as usual) badtoworse Jun 2012 #4
What was the incidence of firearm deaths in Mexico and mass killing incidents in the US ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #5
Pick whatever statistics and factoids make you feel good slackmaster Jun 2012 #7
Funny you focused on 1994. 1998 and 1999 were the series low points. ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #10
Yet for some strange reason, violent crime has been trending DOWN in the US the whole time slackmaster Jun 2012 #12
'The Mexican military escalated the fight'--and the US firearms market ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #15
Thanks for the kicks, folks, but so far no one has answered the question ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #6
My opinion is that the Assault weapon ban ....... oldhippie Jun 2012 #9
It appears that Issa's committee is focusing ONLY on government actions AFTER ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #11
No, the AWB is not relevant to the investigation oldhippie Jun 2012 #14
'about a dead agent ... and policy decisions'. NO. Issa has no interest in documents ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #17
The policy decisions that continued it. oldhippie Jun 2012 #20
Legalizing drugs (even just pot) would have a much bigger impact on reducing gun violence. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #13
'Most ... didn't come from US gun stores'--So there ARE foolproth methods to trace ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #16
Nothing is foolproof. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #18
Are there some captured guns that cannot be traced? Then that ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #19
They already take into account the untraceable ones if I recall correctly. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #21
Whether a gun originated as a legal civilian or government US firearm... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #23
Not really his committee's juristiction Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #24
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Did Issa's committee ever...»Reply #22