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Bernardo de La Paz

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81. Social and fiscal conservatives hate liberals for two different reasons.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:42 AM
Dec 2016

Politics is at least two-dimensional, so the "liberal vs conservative" rhetoric is inadequate on the face of it straight from the get-go.

A further problem is that many people indulge in binary thinking. They view themselves as "pretty good" but think that any liberal must be really very extremely bad because, you know, they're liberal.

Both liberals and conservatives, of all stripes, will fall back to a base of justifying their positions on the basis of Freedom.

Social conservatives hate liberals (especially social liberals) because to varying degrees they think they are decadent condemnable creatures who are leading society to the breakdown of the family, destruction of morals, and to hellfire and brimstone ala Sodom and Gomorrah. Some of them haven't even got to the point of accepting miscegenation (race mixing through marriage).

Fiscal conservatives hate liberals ultimately because of viewing things through the lens of the idea of voluntary versus involuntary charity. To varying degrees, they view government spending on poor people and social causes in any form (like public education) as taking from responsible people and giving it to irresponsible people. They frequently have an exaggerated view of the percentage of income that comfortably well off people spend on charity, or would spend if there were almost no taxes. They also tend to have no clue about the cumulative and synergistic effects of a thousand little disadvantages people might experience growing up and in their lives.

Of course, too many social liberals and fiscal liberals have correspondingly distorted views of conservatives.

Social liberals appeal to individual freedom, personal liberty.

Social conservatives appeal to freedom against the forces of darkness, as they see it.

Fiscal liberals appeal to the freedom from crushing disadvantages, for example FDR's third freedom: freedom from want.

Fiscal conservatives appeal to the personal freedom of giving to charitable causes only as much and in ways a person chooses.

Hope they don't identify the actors in the picture. Vinca Dec 2016 #1
And they'll pass it off as the liberals are the violent ones. Initech Dec 2016 #22
That's what drives me wild with frustration. When a trumpanzee says that crap, BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #63
The great thing about reality-based living is that it wins more often than any other way. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #67
:) BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #72
You can't. Initech Dec 2016 #70
Yeah.... that is a great question. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #73
Social and fiscal conservatives hate liberals for two different reasons. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #81
I was thinking of changing my homeowners insurance from State Farm to another company that skylucy Dec 2016 #2
it probably depends a lot on your agent, and I've never had to file a claim, but I like State Farm renate Dec 2016 #39
I stayed with State Farm for 15 years and didn't check what other companies Jim Beard Dec 2016 #56
Hold on a minute . . . IndianaDave Dec 2016 #64
Excellent observation ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #66
Excellent Reference IndianaDave Dec 2016 #71
State Farm supports ALEC? I guess I am going to have to reconsider my reconsideration. skylucy Dec 2016 #69
Are you being serious or just guessing. I would love to see proof of it! CurtEastPoint Dec 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #14
Let me guess... complaining about a mixed race marriage? Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #4
I think it's the way she's dressed Bettie Dec 2016 #7
Yeah, that doesn't help. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #9
Right, but you should have marketing pros who catch those things Bucky Dec 2016 #19
Agreed. That's what I would've done with the same models. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #21
There were several other options oberliner Dec 2016 #78
Much better! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #87
Yes, I agree oberliner Dec 2016 #88
They were stock photos oberliner Dec 2016 #77
So what? They still *selected* the photo and sent it out Bucky Dec 2016 #83
Agreed oberliner Dec 2016 #84
I like that one. He looks younger Bucky Dec 2016 #85
Also the ring box is facing the right way oberliner Dec 2016 #86
Uh... she is a working print model so she probably IS minor. elehhhhna Dec 2016 #45
It's a gym class outfit. elehhhhna Dec 2016 #44
It looks like a grown man... meaculpa2016 Dec 2016 #62
Meh. A 14 year old and a 24 year old female can look indistinguishable. pnwmom Dec 2016 #11
I know, and at my age everyone under 35 looks like a child, so I can't tell anymore. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #15
I knew I was getting old ... lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #24
I know, but she really does look like a teen adigal Dec 2016 #43
I know lots of twenty-somethings who look that young. pnwmom Dec 2016 #46
Her hands are at least mid-twenties. mn9driver Dec 2016 #61
I kind of thought that too. forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #16
I've seen some college cheerleaders and thought some of them looked like... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #18
Tangent: the high-pitched squeals, whether Ilsa Dec 2016 #42
The male actor looks to be mid 20s (despite the beard) Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #30
And her chest. alfredo Dec 2016 #31
She looks really young to me too. cwydro Dec 2016 #59
Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought that. n/t Brainstormy Dec 2016 #65
That's a lovely image. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #5
OKAY Bettie Dec 2016 #6
No, it is a man thing about fathers and daughters. Jim Beard Dec 2016 #57
is that Ivanka? msongs Dec 2016 #8
Age difference? oberliner Dec 2016 #10
She looks young. Visual is 20 yr old proposing to 14 yr old Liberal_in_LA Dec 2016 #12
Also the ring box is facing the wrong way, isn't it? oberliner Dec 2016 #17
Also, I believe it is a blood diamond. panader0 Dec 2016 #25
There actually doesn't seem to be any diamond oberliner Dec 2016 #28
I'm sure I shouldn't have laughed at that. But I did. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #47
Any fit 20-something in shorts could look like that. pnwmom Dec 2016 #23
I got carded regularly until I was 35 TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #36
I don't get it. What's to be upset about? n/t Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #13
No American flags flying during his proposal. Bucky Dec 2016 #20
The girl is 12 maybe 14 yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #26
How do you deduce that? You can't see her face -- just a fit body. nt pnwmom Dec 2016 #41
Huh. She does look young, but given the context I just assumed... Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #48
He opened the box so its facing him. Duh. elehhhhna Dec 2016 #27
She also does not seem to have touched her breakfast oberliner Dec 2016 #29
Good catch. If they wanted to reduce the questioning of this ad (but maybe they figure spooky3 Dec 2016 #33
It's a stock photo oberliner Dec 2016 #74
then they should reshoot their own. spooky3 Dec 2016 #75
Or they could've used this one oberliner Dec 2016 #76
Certain white men.... paleotn Dec 2016 #32
Yep...that's the truth nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #34
OMG! That actually hadn't crossed my mind. Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #49
Ostentatious opulence, I'm sure that's what upset them. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2016 #35
That was my first thought Retrograde Dec 2016 #37
1. Casual ad, no? 2. The ring is facing him. WinkyDink Dec 2016 #38
Meh! Canoe52 Dec 2016 #40
Ads like this shouldn't even raise an eyebrow let alone be noticed anymore Blaukraut Dec 2016 #50
Mad at heterosexual marriage? n/t Yavin4 Dec 2016 #51
Trump sees that ad RandySF Dec 2016 #52
I know-they thought it was Tiffany! Ken Burch Dec 2016 #53
I did the same thing when my husband proposed. Anyone else? grossproffit Dec 2016 #54
'Absolutely disgusting. I am venomously opposed to Inter-racial relationships. I will boycotting Sta Liberal_in_LA Dec 2016 #55
i went to this brenda Gale's twitter page Takket Dec 2016 #79
Is there a link for these Trumpers with a problem? cwydro Dec 2016 #58
Are we back to some prior century! Did we all regress without any notice or freaking memo? Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #60
He's not proposing to her JBoy Dec 2016 #68
I think we should ignore tRump fans' outrages. nt. marybourg Dec 2016 #80
trump 'fans' live in a world that doesn't exist. i shit them. spanone Dec 2016 #82
I looked for it to "like" it and couldn't find it. I hope they didn't delete it to calm the savages Maraya1969 Dec 2016 #89
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