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radical noodle

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33. Here's the thing
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 04:26 PM
Dec 2016

Middle-class folks who are retired will always have approximately the same income no matter what. As their income remains stagnant, prices and costs increase, sometimes exponentially. The older one gets, the more expenses there are. Risky investments that pay more are ill advised for those who are older, health insurance supplementals and drug costs skyrocket as we age, even with Medicare. Our property and real estate taxes raise every year. Interest income at a bank is non-existent. Couples worry about one of them perhaps being confined to a nursing home for many years, an expensive proposition.

We did all the "right" things. We saved. We did without things others had. We helped our daughters get through school, so they could make their own way in the world. We still help them sometimes when they need it.

Still, we pay about $6000 out of our meager income for taxes. I never begrudged paying taxes. I never took weird deductions. I always paid on time. I was happy to pay when I was working and could afford it.

Our 19 trillion dollar party was largely the celebration of Republicans who spent like madmen on the military. I don't want to run up more debt at all, but let's get the money from those who have boatloads of it to spare because they have so many loopholes that they don't pay as much as I do.



There are those of us who have capital gains radical noodle Dec 2016 #1
I have no problem with... eniwetok Dec 2016 #2
I absolutely agree with you n/t radical noodle Dec 2016 #8
Contrary Abouttime Dec 2016 #19
Why? radical noodle Dec 2016 #21
above what level? Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #29
Of course the other side of capital gains are losses that while somewhat deductible still cost Hoyt Dec 2016 #3
you might want to flesh your argument out... eniwetok Dec 2016 #4
I'm talking about investing most of the money you have into something that goes south. You might be Hoyt Dec 2016 #5
what do loses have to do with income? eniwetok Dec 2016 #6
I get they can be separated -- if you gain, we want most of the money. If you lose, you should have Hoyt Dec 2016 #10
you're totally losing me.... eniwetok Dec 2016 #30
I'm not talking about speculating in commodities, I'm talking about investing in a small business Hoyt Dec 2016 #31
The rationale is that much of long-term capital gains are actually just the effects of inflation. dawg Dec 2016 #7
since when is earned income given such a break? eniwetok Dec 2016 #9
The income tax brackets and exemptions are adjusted for inflation each year. dawg Dec 2016 #14
oh shit... eniwetok Dec 2016 #17
The capital gains tax rate should be progressive and tied to personal wealth. libtodeath Dec 2016 #11
It is tied to income, with 0, 15, and 20% brackets FarCenter Dec 2016 #12
Thanks for the link. It was good for me 2/3 of the way down and Jim Beard Dec 2016 #23
The theory is that risk is invoved, and taxation as income would... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #13
Minor point, but lottery winnings are state tax free in only 8 states A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #25
Gift taxes really dont exist for most people Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #26
Your assumptions are not completely correct csziggy Dec 2016 #15
OK... but what are you saying... eniwetok Dec 2016 #16
I'm saying that capital gains is a much ore complicated subject than just financial investments csziggy Dec 2016 #18
pretty sad thread hfojvt Dec 2016 #20
I already pay taxes on my capital gains radical noodle Dec 2016 #22
no, it is pathetic that we can apparently be bought hfojvt Dec 2016 #28
you're conflating... eniwetok Dec 2016 #32
Here's the thing radical noodle Dec 2016 #33
Most of the things discussed here are mostly for retirement. Jim Beard Dec 2016 #24
retirement investments are already tax sheltered hfojvt Dec 2016 #27
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