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Lydia Leftcoast

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Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:16 PM Jun 2012

The Dems have only themselves to blame for the proliferation of Republicanoid zombies [View all]

When Reagan came into office in 1981, the House was controlled by Democrats and remained under Dem control all through Reagan's two terms and Poppy Bush's one term. The Dems even had control of the Senate during Reagan's last two years and all of Poppy Bush's term.

However, instead of maneuvering from a position of strength, they

1) Didn't put up a tough enough fight against Reagan's policies, such as firing the air traffic controllers, supporting the murderous oligarchs in Central America, lowering taxes on the rich, and building up the nuclear arsenal beyond all conceivable needs. In fact, some Dems (I'm looking at you, DLC) even supported most of Reagan's policies, which makes one wonder why they bothered to put a "D" after their names. (And yes, I know Al Gore was a founding member of the DLC. Did you know that he was a supporter of the Contra rebels against the Nicaraguan revolution as well as being a supporter of Reagan's military buildup?)

2) Didn't look out for the interests of their traditional constituents, working class people. Instead, they were silent against Reagan's union busting tactics, supported "free" trade, and did nothing when thousands of farmers lost farms that had been in their families for generations, due to a double whammy of high interest rates and low crop prices. Even if Reagan would have vetoed any measures they proposed, they still could have made the gesture and made sure that everyone knew where they stood. (This is how the Republicanites keep the loyalty of their party members--they make a lot of noise about policies that they know are unlikely to pass, just to make sure people know where they stand.) More recently, the Dem response to the Wisconsin recall election was tepid, to say the least.

3) Made the tent too large. Since the Reagan era, I have been able to tell you what the Republicans stand for. What do the Dems stand for except "un-Republicanism"? Is there anything short of misconduct that will get a Dem kicked out of the party? Dems who vote with the Republicanites most of the time are still welcomed into the party. Would the same happen with a Republican who voted with the Dems most of the time?

4) Ignored the rise of the right-wing media. I first overheard Rush Limbaugh on the radio in the late 1980s. Where was the Dem response?

5) Disrespected their most populist and leftist members. There are more members of the Progressive Caucus than there are Blue Dogs, and yet it's always the Progressives who have to give in, never the other way around. Do the Republicans do that to their most die-hard members? No! They honor them and send them off to spout nonsense on the talk shows.

6) Published wonkish position papers and spoke in platitudes while the Republicans have employed finely targeted advertising and propaganda techniques that influence the emotions.

7) Adopted a defeatist attitude. Ever since the founding of DU, I've heard lame excuses for the Dems not taking a stand, even for voting WITH the Republicans: "We don't have the White House or either house of Congress," which became "We don't have the White House," which became "The Blue Dogs are holding us back" which became "We don't have Congress anymore."
If past politicians had taken that approach, that they can't vote for anything unless they're sure it's going to pass, women wouldn't be eligible to vote yet.

8) Blamed the voters for abandoning them instead of looking in the mirror. If your significant other abandons you, maybe it's because they're stupid or faithless, but maybe it's because you have continually ignored or disrespected them.
If the Dems have ignored the economic needs of the white working class, why should they be surprised if the white working class votes for the people who pay lip service to their social conservatism? If the Dems have treated their left wing as crazy aunts and uncles who must be kept in the attic and brought out only to volunteer and vote every four years, and also continue many of Bush's policies, why should they be surprised when their left wing votes third party or stops volunteering and contributing? Yes, yes, the Republicans are terrible, but "We less awful than the other guys" is not a very persuasive argument.

9) Ran inept presidential candidates, whose lack of PR smarts made me wince: Mondale, Dukakis, Gore.

Your average voter is not very intellectual and reacts mostly from the gut and from his/her personal sense of well-being. Right now, people are frightened and angry (being outside the country for two weeks, I came back and found an unpleasant underlying tension in the society that isn't always overtly perceptible when you're in it all the time), and the Democrats are not only letting the Republicans dominate the conversation but are failing to use the PR methods that the Republicans have mastered over the years.

You're wondering why anyone at all is voting for Romney? He certainly is not a better candidate, but the voters are in a "What have you done for me lately" mood.
If Obama had taken the Blue Dogs to the woodshed the way he did to the Progressives and insisted on, at minimum, a Medicare buy-in to be effective immediately, then everyone would have known someone who benefited from it.
If Obama had not tried to impress the raw meat crowd by catching Osama Bin Laden but had completely withdrawn from Afghanistan (as is his right as Commander-in-Chief) and used the $250 million per day to put people to work, then everyone would have known someone who benefited from it.
The bank bailout was highly unpopular across the political spectrum. If the Dems (who had both houses of Congress at the time) had insisted on severe penalties for the banksters and had reinstated Glass-Steagall and had shouted this from the rooftops, everyone who wasn't a bankster would have felt that justice was done.
And really, was it necessary to sign all those "free" trade deals, to renew the Patriot Act, and to try to appeal to the red meat crowd by continuing the bogus and (probably illegal under international law) War on Terror?
You can be sure that if, God forbid, the Republicans recapture the White House and both houses of Congress, they will implement their agenda and will not make lame excuses about why they can't.

The Republicanoid zombies deserve to live under such a regime. It may be the only way they'll learn. The rest of us don't deserve this. If worse comes to worse, however, the Democrats will deserve part of the blame for thirty years of wussiness.

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Don't leave out $1BILLION of brainwashing. BlueToTheBone Jun 2012 #1
See #4 Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #2
Counter It With What? AndyTiedye Jun 2012 #8
First of all, with the truth, by using, as LBJ did, Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #9
You're a one woman campaign of hating on the democrats. BlueToTheBone Jun 2012 #87
Frankly, I don't feel that enthusiastic about supporting a party that has betrayed almost all of its Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #90
You nailed it Lydia...they have been inept... rfranklin Jun 2012 #3
The party has been embracing the right and spurning the left since 1992. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #4
And his deal with the republicans renewing the tax cuts for the wealthy. Autumn Jun 2012 #5
Well said. Thanks for saying it so clearly and forcefully. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #6
Approval from their wealthy contributors? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #7
It certainly appears that way. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #10
They certainly are not going to bite the hand that feeds them, just to make life easier for the SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #88
Well, that settles it then Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #11
If only real Democrats were running the country, Autumn Jun 2012 #13
If only people who take it upon themselves Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #15
Back atcha Autumn Jun 2012 #16
Real democrats are easy to recognize. They do not support Republican policies. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #51
Yes, we were told that we were "too far left," whatever that is, Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #53
"Real democrats are easy to recognize." Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #66
Exactly my point. Supporting Bush policies, eg is a good sign you are not talking to a sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #79
They could if they were voted in. treestar Jun 2012 #97
Most of the people who would be good at getting something done have been Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #47
Yeah, right, whatever. Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #67
So are lame excuses for inaction Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #91
It does not boil down to certain people treestar Jun 2012 #98
plus the past 3 years of appeasing and placating repubs...ooops, being bipartisan nt msongs Jun 2012 #12
The party is only as strong as its grassroots. I remember when I finally realized why Reagan won: struggle4progress Jun 2012 #14
Carter Didn't Stand a Chance Against Reagan AndyTiedye Jun 2012 #17
Blaming the victims treestar Jun 2012 #18
re: quit lazily blaming the Democratic Party clang1 Jun 2012 #20
+1,000,000! Zalatix Jun 2012 #26
The people are the victims, not the politicians.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #21
There are too many authoritarian clang1 Jun 2012 #22
Then the people can elect different politicians treestar Jun 2012 #95
You were talking about blaming the victims.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #108
There are no victims treestar Jun 2012 #120
You were the one that used the term "victims". Fumesucker Jun 2012 #125
Thank you clang1 Jun 2012 #19
Is it cowardice or complicity? MrSlayer Jun 2012 #23
complicity n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #24
Something happened between the time Democrats were willing to take Nixon to task Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #52
Yes, I noticed that in 1981, the Dems suddenly lost their taste for fighting back, with Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #54
Some of the most progressive members of Congress, Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #70
But the ones who did fight, like Henry Gonzalez of Texas, got no respect Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #71
Nunn was touted by the *cough* liberal media Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #73
Two names. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #110
Part of the problem and not the solution....Complicity. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #89
Exactly right Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #121
Have you ever ProSense Jun 2012 #25
Lists like these clang1 Jun 2012 #28
Yeah, the list Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #29
I don't know... clang1 Jun 2012 #31
Not having been on DU very long, you may not know Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #33
re: Not having been on DU very long, you may not know clang1 Jun 2012 #35
Nonsense ProSense Jun 2012 #36
So, you admit that health care reform it didn't go far enough? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #43
If it had ProSense Jun 2012 #48
So are Obama / Democrats back to supporting the Public Option? leftstreet Jun 2012 #60
So are Obama / Democrats back to supporting the Public Option? leftstreet Jun 2012 #60
Of course the ACA needs to be strengthened but the DLC and the POTUS aka Current party leader KatChatter Jun 2012 #81
This is how it would have gone down if our leaders were genuine. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #74
Teh Moderates. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #77
Wouldn't ProSense Jun 2012 #34
Nothing, but the Dems have not blown their own horn Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #37
Wait ProSense Jun 2012 #42
Most of The List is trivial or exaggerated, and the few biggies that are on it Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #49
Then ProSense Jun 2012 #50
Why are the Republicans gaining strength even though they haven't done anything? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #32
Seriously ProSense Jun 2012 #38
+1 re: You say "voters are not rational," but you're making the case for why they shouldn't be. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #41
I hear what you are saying but list or not? clang1 Jun 2012 #39
good post. The dems seem to have given up the bbgrunt Jun 2012 #27
re: it's more like firing them for incompetence and finding somebody that will do the job. clang1 Jun 2012 #30
yay, more anti-dem campaigning during an election season. dionysus Jun 2012 #40
I want the Dems to win Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #45
Yay, more worrying about what Republicans might think over doing what is right. And that's sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #57
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #44
re: yay, more anti-dem campaigning during an election season. clang1 Jun 2012 #46
knr nt slipslidingaway Jun 2012 #55
We've got to push our Democrats back to our core values and fight for them. Be the Dems' scary Overseas Jun 2012 #56
This is what OWS could have done, should have done. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #58
re: we should have co-opted the fucking party ourselves like the baggers and Paulites did to the puk clang1 Jun 2012 #68
They do a great job. Could be "Both And" instead of "Either Or" Overseas Jun 2012 #92
Thanks for the great post, my friend. stevedeshazer Jun 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Jun 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Jun 2012 #60
yup, the Dem party have been wussies for a long time now, K&R quinnox Jun 2012 #64
re: Dem party have been wussies for a long time now clang1 Jun 2012 #69
K&R The smell of that big money is too much. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #65
re: 'But once that is done we need to figure out what just what we stand for clang1 Jun 2012 #72
Great post, Lydia. Vidar Jun 2012 #75
You TOTALLY nailed it, you're EXACTLY on point! Raine Jun 2012 #76
Oh so true true true. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #78
I won't even read the responses. Le Taz Hot Jun 2012 #80
Interesting post malaise Jun 2012 #82
Well, I was mostly focusing on why there are so many right-wing zombies Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #93
K&R. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #83
The "Dems" are not a disembodied other entity quaker bill Jun 2012 #84
Showing up at meetings? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #85
I had a different experience quaker bill Jun 2012 #112
And why was it a two-person race when there were six candidates? I'll tell you why Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #114
I was not fooled quaker bill Jun 2012 #134
Exactly.. sendero Jun 2012 #86
I don't believe in the seven deadly sins. I believe in one: greed. CrispyQ Jun 2012 #94
Heh not all these stories are just days old nor are the topics either clang1 Jun 2012 #100
The country is a republic treestar Jun 2012 #96
Were it such a simple black and white world lol n/t. clang1 Jun 2012 #99
Having our representatives *stand for something* besides mild criticism of the Republicans Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #115
The American voters also complain if a politician would do what he wants treestar Jun 2012 #117
Examples? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #119
Though not DU, the country as a whole was fine with Iraq at the time treestar Jun 2012 #123
Except for the tens of thousands of people who marched in every major city in the country Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #124
So if that's the silver bullet why are we still talking in abstractions Telly Savalas Jun 2012 #127
I've hardly been at DU in the past couple of months, for various reasons, and I came back to find Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #130
I see it a little differently Dokkie Jun 2012 #101
You blame the victims clang1 Jun 2012 #103
Yes, the voters are not blameless Dokkie Jun 2012 #107
The voters are victims? treestar Jun 2012 #118
NYTimes writer calls it "defacto mouthpieces for conservative agitprop" just1voice Jun 2012 #102
You are correct clang1 Jun 2012 #105
"The Dems have abandoned the working class" is "conservative propaganda"? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #109
yup--for the most part, Democrats in Congress for the last few decades have no moral compass librechik Jun 2012 #104
I've seen countless Establishment-oriented DUers excuse appalling Congressional votes Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #122
K&R Lydia Carolina Jun 2012 #106
!!! FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #111
Why single out the Dems? GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #113
Your average American is not very intellectually curious Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #116
If it's the establishment Democrats who let the GOP get away with this Telly Savalas Jun 2012 #128
A short time observing the workings of your local or state party Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #129
A bunch of imbeciles who voted for Republicans like Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush The Idiot are to blame NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #126
Yes, but that happened because the Republicanites were out in front with the propaganda Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #131
Yes, there are plenty of excuses for voting for the three scum suckers I listed above NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #132
Hey, I've learned that lots of people really are stupid Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #133
The 50-50 split is a sure sign of some kind of collusion. Bonobo Jun 2012 #135
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