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eniwetok

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Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:22 PM Dec 2016

Under "Stand Your Ground" Trayvon Had The Right To Kill Zimmerman [View all]


Here are the instructions to the Zimmerman jury from http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/jury_instructions_1.pdf I've changed a few words so this applies to Trayvon Martin...


Quote:
In deciding whether Trayvon Martin was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing Trayvon Martin need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, Trayvon Martin must have actually believed that the danger was real.
If Trayvon Martin was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was
necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent
the commission of a forcible felony

The "logic" of Stand Your Ground can apply to BOTH Z and TM... but only the survivor can use it as a defense against murder or manslaughter in court.

And here's why Trayvon was justified in punching Zimmerman... and I think it's something the jury missed. In a police interview Z admits he never identified himself to Martin.. and he reached in his pocket claiming he was going for his "phone". Start video below at 38 minutes. Trayvon WAS not engaged in a crime. He DID have the right to be at the location. He DID have the right to ask his stalker WTF was he doing. And when Zimmerman reached for his "phone" (sic) Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger.

Again... the jury instructions in reverse... "The danger facing Trayvon Martin need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. "





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I always thought that stupid law would have been on Trayvon's side if there was any justice world wide wally Dec 2016 #1
With no eye witnesses hack89 Dec 2016 #6
last man standing 'wins' spanone Dec 2016 #11
Trials are skewed towards the accused for obvious reasons hack89 Dec 2016 #13
Was it a "very weak" case or or a case of bad written law? eniwetok Dec 2016 #56
When the government witnesses undermine the government's case hack89 Dec 2016 #59
sure there was evidence... Z's OWN STATEMENTS eniwetok Dec 2016 #62
You just described a weak and poorly prosecuted case hack89 Dec 2016 #66
this is a side show.... eniwetok Dec 2016 #67
I don't believe that TlalocW Dec 2016 #23
Even if one believes Zimmerman, he still grabbed his gun, stalked and intimidated Martin, then shot Hoyt Dec 2016 #2
conversely eniwetok Dec 2016 #4
I don't think the concept of stand your ground should have applied to Zman. One shouldn't be able Hoyt Dec 2016 #7
SYG is a legal defense for gun owners... so once Z was charged... eniwetok Dec 2016 #14
SYG is too generous in a situation where a bully can grab his gun and intimidate an unarmed kid, Hoyt Dec 2016 #20
That is mercuryblues Dec 2016 #78
SYG is basically license to kill Bettie Dec 2016 #22
Z's defense didn't use SYG NobodyHere Dec 2016 #35
it didn't matter... it was still the law eniwetok Dec 2016 #48
Except he did not evoke a SYG defense hack89 Dec 2016 #43
the instructions given to the jury were consistant with SYG eniwetok Dec 2016 #49
His entire defense was that it was impossible for him to retreat hack89 Dec 2016 #51
but this becomes a catch 22 eniwetok Dec 2016 #52
Z got the benefit of the doubt because that is how justice works hack89 Dec 2016 #55
no one's ever been convicted in the death of another where there are no witnesses? eniwetok Dec 2016 #61
No. But usually the prosecutor doesn't help the accused. Nt hack89 Dec 2016 #64
you're moving the goal post... eniwetok Dec 2016 #58
There was no SYG hearing, was there? hack89 Dec 2016 #60
IT DOESN'T MATTER if SYG is part of the law... eniwetok Dec 2016 #68
So why didn't he ask for a hearing? hack89 Dec 2016 #72
ask his lawyer eniwetok Dec 2016 #76
IF Martin was on top of Zimmerman how could Zimmerman retreat? ... spin Dec 2016 #79
Who had the testosterone poisoning? eniwetok Dec 2016 #85
I think if Martin would have lived ... spin Dec 2016 #88
Zimmerman actually didn't use the SYG defense. Captain Stern Dec 2016 #54
Wrong Drumron Dec 2016 #25
You should have posted your opinion of gunners like Zman. Sorry, but the majority of gun owners, Hoyt Dec 2016 #28
Look at all those black thugs in that gun show. I can't find one. nt doc03 Dec 2016 #41
And in that last pic ... lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #42
Myself a white guy 68 years old was at a gun shop in Columbus last week. I was looking at doc03 Dec 2016 #45
You don't use apostrophes with plurals. Aristus Dec 2016 #50
Hell, if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck like the emergency operator said mythology Dec 2016 #46
I thought the evidence showed that Trayvon was not aware of the gun hack89 Dec 2016 #5
Now, how would we know that? Do you honestly think Zman -- an armed wuss -- followed Martin in dark Hoyt Dec 2016 #8
He said it was in his pocket the entire time hack89 Dec 2016 #10
I'm still trying to figure out Runningdawg Dec 2016 #26
Not sure that was what was said in court hack89 Dec 2016 #27
Z claims gun was in holster under jacket eniwetok Dec 2016 #47
He had it in a holster and he said Martin reached for his gun. Must have known, don't you think? Hoyt Dec 2016 #30
They were wrestling hack89 Dec 2016 #31
I thought he was bashing his head in at the time. Of course, he only had superficial scratches. Hoyt Dec 2016 #32
I am relying on the government eye witness hack89 Dec 2016 #33
answer the question eniwetok Dec 2016 #53
Of course he could lie hack89 Dec 2016 #57
the "witness" did not see how it started eniwetok Dec 2016 #69
It was not perverse hack89 Dec 2016 #73
but your bottom line is SYG is not to blame eniwetok Dec 2016 #77
No agenda hack89 Dec 2016 #81
and yet eniwetok Dec 2016 #86
I think you are wrong about SYG and it's role in the trial hack89 Dec 2016 #87
Trayvon WAS aware that some guy was following him csziggy Dec 2016 #15
Yet we know Trayvon lost Z hack89 Dec 2016 #17
Zimmerman told the dispatcher he had driven to the back gate csziggy Dec 2016 #19
The car was parked in the opposite direction from his house hack89 Dec 2016 #21
The transcript of Zimmerman's call says he WAS driving to the back gate csziggy Dec 2016 #36
That conversation took place at 2 on the map hack89 Dec 2016 #38
The timing does not work csziggy Dec 2016 #44
We only have Z's word eniwetok Dec 2016 #16
We have the government's witness hack89 Dec 2016 #18
Zimmerman was a typical gun nut. They dream about the day they can finally shoot someone. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #65
There are more than a few on DU who still defend the Zman as a law abiding citizen and flamin lib Dec 2016 #3
Yep. Worse, they count Zman's murdering TM as a justified use of a gun for defense. Deplorable. Hoyt Dec 2016 #9
At least "Florida Man" Michael Dunn was finally convicted (during a retrial) for murdering tblue37 Dec 2016 #12
Yes. This has always been the case, and the reason why this is usch a travesty. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #24
You're not going far enough. Trayvon had that right even without SYG. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #29
pointing a gun eniwetok Dec 2016 #71
There are two separate issues here. Jim Lane Dec 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2016 #34
Zimmy was bird dogging Trayvon. lpbk2713 Dec 2016 #37
Unfortunately, only Zimmerman had murder on his mind Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #39
If Travon was white they would have burned anyone with a hispanic name or any doc03 Dec 2016 #40
Here's why SYG is a bad law - It doesn't care about what happened before the shooting. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #63
self defense.... eniwetok Dec 2016 #70
I agree and thank you. Martin responsibly feared for his life. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #75
a young black male has no ground to stand on. bullimiami Dec 2016 #80
Florida statitics disagree with you. ManiacJoe Dec 2016 #83
Silly wabbit, Stand Your Ground is for white people! backscatter712 Dec 2016 #82
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #84
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