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Showing Original Post only (View all)Under "Stand Your Ground" Trayvon Had The Right To Kill Zimmerman [View all]
Here are the instructions to the Zimmerman jury from http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/jury_instructions_1.pdf I've changed a few words so this applies to Trayvon Martin...
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In deciding whether Trayvon Martin was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing Trayvon Martin need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, Trayvon Martin must have actually believed that the danger was real.
If Trayvon Martin was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was
necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent
the commission of a forcible felony
The "logic" of Stand Your Ground can apply to BOTH Z and TM... but only the survivor can use it as a defense against murder or manslaughter in court.
And here's why Trayvon was justified in punching Zimmerman... and I think it's something the jury missed. In a police interview Z admits he never identified himself to Martin.. and he reached in his pocket claiming he was going for his "phone". Start video below at 38 minutes. Trayvon WAS not engaged in a crime. He DID have the right to be at the location. He DID have the right to ask his stalker WTF was he doing. And when Zimmerman reached for his "phone" (sic) Trayvon had every reason to believe his life was in danger.
Again... the jury instructions in reverse... "The danger facing Trayvon Martin need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. "
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I always thought that stupid law would have been on Trayvon's side if there was any justice
world wide wally
Dec 2016
#1
Even if one believes Zimmerman, he still grabbed his gun, stalked and intimidated Martin, then shot
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#2
I don't think the concept of stand your ground should have applied to Zman. One shouldn't be able
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#7
SYG is too generous in a situation where a bully can grab his gun and intimidate an unarmed kid,
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#20
no one's ever been convicted in the death of another where there are no witnesses?
eniwetok
Dec 2016
#61
You should have posted your opinion of gunners like Zman. Sorry, but the majority of gun owners,
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#28
Myself a white guy 68 years old was at a gun shop in Columbus last week. I was looking at
doc03
Dec 2016
#45
Now, how would we know that? Do you honestly think Zman -- an armed wuss -- followed Martin in dark
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#8
He had it in a holster and he said Martin reached for his gun. Must have known, don't you think?
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#30
I thought he was bashing his head in at the time. Of course, he only had superficial scratches.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#32
Zimmerman was a typical gun nut. They dream about the day they can finally shoot someone.
Oneironaut
Dec 2016
#65
There are more than a few on DU who still defend the Zman as a law abiding citizen and
flamin lib
Dec 2016
#3
Yep. Worse, they count Zman's murdering TM as a justified use of a gun for defense. Deplorable.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#9
At least "Florida Man" Michael Dunn was finally convicted (during a retrial) for murdering
tblue37
Dec 2016
#12
Yes. This has always been the case, and the reason why this is usch a travesty. nt
LaydeeBug
Dec 2016
#24
Here's why SYG is a bad law - It doesn't care about what happened before the shooting.
Oneironaut
Dec 2016
#63