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78. My problem with Bernie

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:48 PM

Dec 2016

is that he undermined Hillary in a huge way and keeps that up to this day. In general, I am dismayed by Obama and Biden as well for doing the same post-election. The machismo has really gotten to me and I feel that the dem party hasn't figured out what it is doing. I get that Bernie inspires a lot of people but I don't like the way he did it, imo by disparaging Clinton using right (wrong) wing memes. And of course the dems will work with him, but he keeps promoting himself and doesn't really help anyone else much, again, imo. I have people I consider friends who believe some of those memes he hollered over and over and it really, really upsets me. Hillary is hugely popular. I don't know why she isn't out there in front right now, but she just took some heavy artillery and maybe she needs to think about it all. Maybe she wants time out. Maybe she isn't sure about having the backs of those who undermined her. Maybe she is seeing the lay of the landscape. This has been a huge setback for women and she has to be feeling that. I don't forgive Bernie for not producing his tax information and why is that ok with y'all? He did Trump's work for Trump before the Repub's had to, and why is that ok with y'all? Yeah, we need some leadership, that as Harry Reid says, isn't just older people. Bernie isn't that. I just can't be a Bernie fan and I donated significant money to him in the primaries because I thought he'd voice some important issues, but I lost interest when he consistently distorted Clinton's record and proved so insensitive to the importance of her candidacy.

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Bernie Sanders is leading the Democrats into battle against Donald Trump on Jan. 15 [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

Many here hate Sanders because they think he was lastone Dec 2016 #1

Yes. there is a lot of irrational Bernie-hate portlander23 Dec 2016 #2

So, sir, how much "Bernie 2016 funds" have actually been spent on rallies to fight Trump? George II Dec 2016 #104

Very good question George. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #114

I think there may have been more "Bernie 2016 funds" spend on Bernie than Democrats.... George II Dec 2016 #161

You think he's laundering campaign money to enrich himself? dionysus Jan 2017 #174

I'd hazard a guess that more was spent on cherry-picked D vs D primaries. Could be wrong. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #115

Well any Democratic primary Madam Mossfern Dec 2016 #142

D vs. D, or D vs. d, or d vs. D? I recall some distinctions being made. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #150

Not always, as we saw this past spring. George II Jan 2017 #181

No hate here... LOVE me some Bernie!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #18

Me too! I love Bernie! smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #35

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020? hell no. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #180

Sanders had nothing to do with Clinton's loss. ananda Dec 2016 #28

AND worst of all, all the voters thaty the Pubs removed from the voting rolls, mostly napi21 Dec 2016 #103

I think voter suppression was the main cause of the loss(es). fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #117

DU has jumped the shark. Rife with operatives who have peculiar objectives. I will never understand zonkers Dec 2016 #30

I will never understand the Obama bashing. .... eom Kolesar Dec 2016 #88

Nor the Clinton bashing (both of them, Bill AND Hillary) which was relentless during the primaries. George II Dec 2016 #160

Well, that may be. I too supported Bernie but when that was over, I supported Clinton unlike some Alekzander Dec 2016 #43

I hope "Democrats" have better sense than to follow. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #3

Could you explain? I don't get your point. LAS14 Dec 2016 #7

Sanders is not a Democrat. baldguy Dec 2016 #138

right Break time Dec 2016 #9

What? Calculating Dec 2016 #10

I guess he's not worthy enough to fight trump... dionysus Jan 2017 #175

I hope they DO follow and emulate and join his fight. CousinIT Dec 2016 #13

Millions more of us rejected "The Bern". People like to forget that. I will never forget it. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #17

"His ilk"? You mean the future of our democracy? Yeah, let's just throw all Bernie supporters under the bus, even tho we willingly supported Hillary in the general. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #24

His "ilk" Sarandon, Weaver & Turner. They are not "the future of democracy". Get over yourself. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #34

We need to work on inclusion. tecelote Dec 2016 #42

Fuck Susan Sarandon! Fuck Jeff Weaver! Fuck Tad Devine! Fuck Nina Turner! Include me OUT! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #50

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #61

More personal attacks from Bernie's "followers"? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #62

Don't worry hon, I voted for Hillary. panader0 Dec 2016 #64

I ain't nobody's "hon", and never have been. Sounds like something Susan Sarandon might say. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #65

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #68

The great thing about being free, black, and over 21 is that I get to hate whoever the fuck I want. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #74

Hey sweetie! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #84

Where is this crap coming from? People keep telling me I should be glad Sanders is bringing people.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #86

I am so with you on both accounts. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #87

plus a million! brer cat Dec 2016 #100

+1 fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #116

AMEN!!!! bravenak Dec 2016 #97

Yes you do! JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #148

The oldest and most reliable misogynist slur ever. Translation... Hekate Dec 2016 #80

Yup........................... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #85

Wow.. all you have are insulting personal attacks. That's really sad. Cha Dec 2016 #92

And Lots Of The Same Subject Me. Dec 2016 #105

You know what I always ask for. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #126

Flea! It's good to see Cha Dec 2016 #127

Precisely! Cha Dec 2016 #109

Well. I guess you told them.. pangaia Dec 2016 #128

Which is precisely why BainsBane Dec 2016 #107

The Democrats have already invited him into the party leadership portlander23 Dec 2016 #27

I hate him with the heat of a thousand suns, and will never forgive him for how he used & abused.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #36

Do you hate him so much portlander23 Dec 2016 #39

You should be doing this JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #149

"Heat of a thousand suns." Sounds like a re-make of "The Wrath of Khan." Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #66

Well, Schumer invited Bernie into Democratic Leadership -- what ever will you do now? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #71

The top two jobs are the leadership. Pelosi & Schumer. Everything else is window dressing. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #75

Hey. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #132

Warren is impressive. I'm glad she will be working with Bernie more in leadership roles. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #133

and all that... sheshe2 Dec 2016 #135

Schumer split one committee into two, kept a Democrat in the more powerful senior lapucelle Dec 2016 #153

A foot in the door is all Bernie needs. Look what happened when they assented to his primary bid. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #157

He lost, so that's not a good analogy. In fact, Donald Trump called him a loser. R B Garr Dec 2016 #159

LOL. You have a forest from the trees problem RBGarr. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #163

Your self-congratulatory post about Bernie is a contradiction R B Garr Dec 2016 #164

Is it personal? Only you can say. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #165

I hate the crawling cockroach thing. lapucelle Dec 2016 #166

Not a problem. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #167

Pelosi and Schumer Cartoonist Dec 2016 #81

What ever are you even talking about? fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #121

Quoting Cartoonist Dec 2016 #141

Schumer carved out new junior leadership positions for Sanders and Tammy Baldwin. lapucelle Dec 2016 #152

yes, certainly... RazBerryBeret Dec 2016 #41

Looking forward to that campaign... Raster Dec 2016 #44

This is not about Hillary. I hope she enjoys her life as a private citizen. This is about the.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #45

Destruction of the party? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #79

The Hillary faction is the core of this party & we ain't going no damn where. We're not the ones... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #172

" the party's backbone"? Is that the same as a spine? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #182

"Ability to work with people different from himself BainsBane Dec 2016 #108

You know what? If their NOT following his example & joining him COSTS AMERICA CousinIT Dec 2016 #67

I repeat. "Democrats" don't need Sanders to lead them anywhere. They have chosen Pelosi &.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #70

Oh so it's about "he's not a "REAL" Democrat" CousinIT Dec 2016 #72

Well, he's not. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #91

No. But I would suggest that in the fury to denounce his non 'D' status, we all need to be careful CousinIT Dec 2016 #146

Who the fuck cares what he is? This isn't a fucking sporting event. Jesus, you guys are dionysus Jan 2017 #176

It is with me. I will never vote for a non democrat again ever. I won't even listen to them. bravenak Dec 2016 #113

Have you noticed how many state & federal House seats... RiverStone Dec 2016 #119

You are looking at a fight between two parties, but there is actually a real third one. fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #123

No worries Tarheel JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #137

From your lips...... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #169

I believe it JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #173

Obama is THE leader - check this out JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #183

Great news! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #184

It's called a primary. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #179

I couldn't agree more. LAS14 Dec 2016 #145

Policies, not labels. alarimer Jan 2017 #171

Yeah, let's give the Fuhrer-Elect a pass... NOT!! Bernie will lead the way in opposing that racist Nazi pig!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #19

Why do promote B&E sheshe2 Dec 2016 #99

Have you been writing Tweets for a certain old guy? Orange, in the news a lot, Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #134

lol, I've been accused of bein a lot of things - mostly by my ex-wives! - but neva that I'm the Orange Fuhrer... must be showin signs of age, yes, as "... NOT" is an old phrase... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #139

They are likely foolish enough to agree with you. phleshdef Dec 2016 #37

Democrats don't need Sanders to lead the fight against Trump. Get over it. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #38

We need Sanders a lot more than we need you. phleshdef Dec 2016 #40

Wow, you went personal there, but I won't stoop to your level. I'm a Democrat, Sanders isn't. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #46

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Sanders is a "public figure". Not surprised you don't know the difference. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #51

That means nothing to me phleshdef Dec 2016 #55

And he ain't a God either, but that doesn't stop some of you from trying to deify him. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #56

I've never deified Sanders. Apparently you just can't deal with someone defending him. phleshdef Dec 2016 #60

That was a terrible thing to say charlyvi Dec 2016 #47

If they can talk nasty shit about Sanders, they should be prepared to have nasty shit thrown back. phleshdef Dec 2016 #49

Hey phl? sheshe2 Dec 2016 #106

Thats because will "never met a bottle of bourbon he didn't like" pitt had a sizeable dionysus Jan 2017 #177

No we don't. Tarheel is my friend. Cha Dec 2016 #89

Agreed Gothmog Dec 2016 #93

Bullshit. He's like EIGHTY. People like me and Tarheel Dem will be around for much LONGER bravenak Dec 2016 #101

THIS sheshe2 Dec 2016 #112

We do not need Bernie at all. He has been a disaster with his Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #140

Yeah just throw away all those young energized voters. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #57

That's right, Tarheel... Cha Dec 2016 #90

I think the poster is confused about what qualifies as a "personal attack". Public figures like... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #94

I know I do for sure bravenak Dec 2016 #96

Millions of us didn't follow him down the Primary Road, so that gives me hope. The revolutionaries.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #98

Even my black friends who fucked around and got the berns are now sorry about it bravenak Dec 2016 #102

The whole "the system is rigged" started with BS, but since Trump is much better at stagecraft, it.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #130

Yep. DT got all his best lines from Sanders. bravenak Dec 2016 #131

Actually it's Schumer, Pelosi, and Sanders. lapucelle Dec 2016 #4

Yes, smart. elleng Dec 2016 #12

Extremely smart... so what do they know that some here are missing?! hmmm? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #20

Yes, very smart on Schumer's part. n/t Tatiana Dec 2016 #122

Isn't there a saying about keeping your friends close? lapucelle Dec 2016 #155

It appears Bernie has some left over money - I wonder how much. Would have been nice if seaglass Dec 2016 #143

Is he allowed to use it for his senate run, or will he be using DSCC funding again? lapucelle Dec 2016 #151

Bernie is still Da Man! Bayard Dec 2016 #5

Trumpanzees are too damn stupid for their own good - and ours. CousinIT Dec 2016 #14

Yesss! You would think this a fight we could ALL join in to unite our party. Bernie always leads by example! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #21

This is terrific news! The possibilities of a united front among.. LAS14 Dec 2016 #6

It sure is... deal me in!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #25

Democrats are lucky they have him BuddyCa Dec 2016 #8

Yes elleng Dec 2016 #11

VERY lucky!! We should thank our lucky stars Bernie is on our team. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #22

This is what Bernie should be doing - focusing on planned Medicare and Medicaid cuts. Justice Dec 2016 #15

K & R LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #16

Yup, it caught up to us in the end... just like you knew it would, and others were warning about, including Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #23

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #26

Go Bernie! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #29

Is it just my advanced years, or do I remember Bernie consistently out-polling the Orangutan libdem4life Dec 2016 #31

He is not leading me anywhere. murielm99 Dec 2016 #32

My sentiments exactly. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #63

Go Bernie! zentrum Dec 2016 #33

Join the Democratic Party, Bernie. Then maybe I'll follow you. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #52

Bernie stays and fights, even after a loss. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #53

I'm old, life time Dem. safeinOhio Dec 2016 #54

He rode in on a horse in shining armor on a road all purchased by Democrats. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #124

Purchased by Democrats like me at safeinOhio Dec 2016 #129

That road was started long before you and I were around. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #136

Explain please. Caliman73 Dec 2016 #156

He definitely is what we progressives need. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #58

That will work. As soon as the remaining 80 percent of registered voters get there too. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #125

I've never understood the visceral loathing for Bernie ymetca Dec 2016 #59

The Party re-made itself so as not to be attacked as "liberal/progressive." Some want to keep that. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #69

Well, some hillary supporters cannot admit any faults in her campaign, so dionysus Jan 2017 #178

All hands on deck! Generator Dec 2016 #73

The important part of the story is that the letter... LAS14 Dec 2016 #83

The letter doesn't refer to it as "Bernie's initiative" BainsBane Dec 2016 #120

I'm a Hillary supporter. Was for years. But I want both sides of the... LAS14 Dec 2016 #144

I have no problem with the letter BainsBane Dec 2016 #168

Has Sanders changed his FEC filing to run as a Democrat for Senate in 2018? Gothmog Dec 2016 #76

any port in a storm Backwoodsrider Dec 2016 #77

My problem with Bernie fallrey Dec 2016 #78

Welcome To Du Me. Dec 2016 #158

It is seriously depressing portlander23 Dec 2016 #82

To Equate The Two Is Just Silly Me. Dec 2016 #118

He aint leading me into a damn thing bravenak Dec 2016 #95

Shumer and Pelosi signed the letter announcing this initiative. LAS14 Dec 2016 #110

So what? They don't run me neither bravenak Dec 2016 #111

Agreed Gothmog Dec 2016 #154

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jan 2017 #170

That's my guy! Go Bernie! Arazi Dec 2016 #147

Sanders is the only one I see with the right mindset realmirage Dec 2016 #162