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11. This same "mania" for separation was also popular in Quebec at one time.

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:44 PM

Dec 2016

The PQ ran on a platform of separatism, arguing that the economy of the Province of Québec was strong enough to allow it be a separate country.

But that road would lead here to the Balkanization of this country, as would have happened in Canada if secession had been successful.

This sounds more like fantasy history, or alternate history. An interesting exercise in fiction, but ultimately unworkable.

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'CalExit' - state's economy is large enough for California to become a sovereign country. [View all] RKP5637 Dec 2016 OP

I'm in! Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #1

I only left because my job moved me. I would go back for sure. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #2

From his home in Russia, Right-wing activist Louis Marinelli organizes Calexit- KittyWampus Dec 2016 #64

Hmm, seems the election of Trump has has caused the orginization to frankieallen Jan 2017 #90

Yep! Here is more info/links on the Russian_Calexit connection: Madam45for2923 Jan 2017 #129

I would be fine with that. yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #96

They would be dual citizens IF the United States allowed it. pangaia Dec 2016 #3

Yeah, my thoughts too. Likely the Trump regime would say no. If we see the Trump regime stripping RKP5637 Dec 2016 #6

dont think secession. think partition, a la India and Pakistan 1947 - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #58

... but that was a war? n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #61

yeah. So? The best outcome is peaceful partition, but there are KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #66

What about our military bases and representation in Congress? Initech Dec 2016 #4

We have military bases in Europe... angstlessk Dec 2016 #7

I've wondered about that too. There would have to be a cooperative workable plan. I RKP5637 Dec 2016 #20

The divisiveness is all 100% GOP. Initech Dec 2016 #27

Absolutely fascism 101!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #32

Polls? really? I don't think I will ever trust a poll again. frankieallen Jan 2017 #91

True, I won't trust anything Nate Silver says ever again. Initech Jan 2017 #92

We should pick up Oregon, Nevada, Washington State, Hawaii and... Tikki Dec 2016 #5

IF I could afford California home prices... angstlessk Dec 2016 #8

You are aware that B.C. is actually part of Canada, correct? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #13

B.C. pretty much has the same issues as California. Tikki Dec 2016 #19

The top two provinces in terms of GDP are guillaumeb Dec 2016 #23

Talk to many from B.C....I have, for years. Tikki Dec 2016 #30

absolutely. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #77

IF you build it....they will come Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #9

RED STATES hate us for our FREEDOMS. Tikki Dec 2016 #12

That's what I think too! Once the momentum builds, others will join in. Maybe in the big picture it RKP5637 Dec 2016 #25

I have very little in common with the trumpers Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #50

Agree! There are literally impenetrable brick walls between the issues. The divide will not be RKP5637 Dec 2016 #52

I read the Russians would love this.. nini Dec 2016 #10

Yes here my OP: From His Home in Russia, #Calexit Leader Plots California Secession Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #41

thanks for the link nini Dec 2016 #43

i don't make my decisions based on what the ruskies do or don't want. sorry. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #76

I really don't care what you do nini Jan 2017 #87

no you weren't; you were suggesting that people should make decisions based on what you think russi TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #110

LOL nini Jan 2017 #114

So bizarre some people's reactions to the news about the Russian connection to Calexit! Madam45for2923 Jan 2017 #128

I've been 'corrected' before on here about the Russia stuff nini Jan 2017 #131

This same "mania" for separation was also popular in Quebec at one time. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #11

America is already Balkanised (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Dec 2016 #14

I would say currently divided. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #15

lol Spider Jerusalem Dec 2016 #18

I feel that economic inequality is fueling the anger, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #21

No, it really isn't Spider Jerusalem Dec 2016 #22

I am talking about the mood of the country. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #24

IMO the Trump voters voted along lines of racism, bigotry and hatred, with jobs thrown in. One could RKP5637 Dec 2016 #28

Anyone remember when we made fun of Texans who wanted to secede? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #16

Yep, times change. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #29

Texas can do what they want...State's rights and all. Tikki Dec 2016 #33

Except secede NobodyHere Dec 2016 #34

Did it go to ballot, State wide? Tikki Dec 2016 #42

I was referring to the Civil War NobodyHere Dec 2016 #46

I don't remember anyone making fun here of Texas because of the Civil War... Tikki Dec 2016 #51

Yes, Texas voted 80 % to secede Yupster Jan 2017 #69

I bet they would....they seem to Hate Us For Our Freedoms. Tikki Jan 2017 #75

speak for yourself. i have never opposed secession for any state that chooses it. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #78

I think this is inevitable, but not yet and not over Trump Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #17

Or we could jump the gun, now. Tikki Dec 2016 #26

now is the time to get the ball rolling. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #79

Does this mean SS and Medicare are ONLY available IF the URSA allows pangaia Dec 2016 #31

So much is in the mix, so much is un-chartered territory, hard to tell what's going to happen over RKP5637 Dec 2016 #36

It's own Country. Tikki Dec 2016 #40

I asked because..... pangaia Dec 2016 #49

Probably won't have anything recognizable as SS or Medicare from the other side. Tikki Dec 2016 #53

yeah,, Without SS and medicare I'm fucked.. as are a lot of other people.. pangaia Dec 2016 #55

For sure... Tikki Dec 2016 #57

The assumption would be that the new nation Yupster Jan 2017 #71

Vermont's GDP of about $30 billion puts it at about a rank of 100 on the list of countries FarCenter Dec 2016 #35

Interesting! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #39

Sound fine by me, if that is what these States wants... Tikki Dec 2016 #44

From His Home in Russia, #Calexit Leader Plots California Secession Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #37

This is a very interesting "read" you posted, thanks, as is this too. He sounds quite RW IMO too! RKP5637 Dec 2016 #45

Others are posing this idea...it has actually been around for quite a while. Tikki Dec 2016 #48

if this guy tells you not to kill yourself, are you going to kill yourself to spite him?? who cares TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #81

Its economy won't be so hot once the US imposes a trade embargo onenote Dec 2016 #38

People advocating this are crazy. It will never happen, and it would be a giant boon for Repubs. Calista241 Dec 2016 #47

I think it would be an enormously complex infrastructure, likely to fail in the big picture. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #54

you forgot that California is supplied electricy from other states. n/t oneshooter Dec 2016 #56

I do believe we have our own Nuclear power plants here yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #100

And how do you pay for these projects? oneshooter Jan 2017 #101

California has quite a population, and its a fairly rich state yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #102

And in the 5-10 years it will take to build these plants oneshooter Jan 2017 #104

It can happen. yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #107

All well and good. oneshooter Jan 2017 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #59

I suppose some people need a new fantasy? brooklynite Dec 2016 #60

I wonder what will happen over the next several years if we see the GOP stripping away, for RKP5637 Dec 2016 #63

No, they'll fight for their rights as US citizens; not try to run away. brooklynite Jan 2017 #95

That's what I would do. Although I can see why it might feel good. In the big picture it RKP5637 Jan 2017 #97

Wake up, Russia is behind Calexit. sarcasmo Dec 2016 #62

It would appear to be to their advantage! ... weakness of the US! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #65

who cares what someone in russia is doing... eniwetok Jan 2017 #73

CAN'T BLAME RUSSIANS: proposed CA secession back in 2004 eniwetok Jan 2017 #74

do you seriously think that russians are the only ones who ever thought of secession?? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #83

Water Vogon_Glory Jan 2017 #67

Better start building desalinization plant now then. Revanchist Jan 2017 #68

This is ridiculous. This is exactly what Russia wants: the breaking up of the u.s. AgadorSparticus Jan 2017 #70

They could take the whole West coast, and Hawaii with them. Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #72

That would decimate the Democratic block in Congress. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #80

Bullshit denbot Jan 2017 #82

IMO it could lead to devastating times in the US, as it would indicate a failure of democracy. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #85

What it would lead to is civil war II jack_krass Jan 2017 #88

Most likely, this country is so on edge! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #89

why? would you be willing to kill red-staters to keep them from leaving the union? i wouldn't. so wh TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #111

the federal government would never allow a state to leave the union, jack_krass Jan 2017 #119

More russian propaganda. Ilsa Jan 2017 #84

I would like to hope the US can eventually settle these differences within. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #86

we will nini Jan 2017 #109

Why are so many here jumping on the secession bandwagon, frankieallen Jan 2017 #93

Likely a level of frustration and anticipation of what might happen with a Trump regime. RKP5637 Jan 2017 #94

Be fair, frank -- the idea is quite old and was NOT started by that RWer. Back in Nay Jan 2017 #103

seriously; i can't believe so many here are in a lather about the so-called "russian origin" of this TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #115

You don't know what could happen to the economy in California if it did become frankieallen Jan 2017 #98

I don't think anything like this is going to happen. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #112

Interesting idea. I'm open minded lunatica Jan 2017 #98

If by even attempting MFM008 Jan 2017 #105

As much as I can sympathize with this DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #106

I think it would weaken the US significantly, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #113

Especially if you add Oregon and Washington. That would be a country I would be very OregonBlue Jan 2017 #108