Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
15. Yup, the popular vote was compromised away
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 12:48 AM
Jan 2017

That doesn't mean the popular vote was a bad idea. It's the EC that's the bad idea. So why do we have it? From the minutes of the Constitutional Convention July 19th 1787.. discussing methods of electing a president. Madison is defending the popular vote...

Mr. MADISON. The people at large was in his opinion the fittest in itself. It would be as likely as any that could be devised to produce an Executive Magistrate of distinguished Character. The people generally could only know & vote for some Citizen whose merits had rendered him an object of general attention & esteem. There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections.

Let's start with going back to basics Retrograde Dec 2016 #1
Several years back? pangaia Dec 2016 #3
I know the argument... but it's deeply flawed eniwetok Jan 2017 #14
Because deist99 Dec 2016 #2
I have my facts straight... eniwetok Dec 2016 #5
Because otherwise we would have no country at all NobodyHere Dec 2016 #8
And the slave states wouldn't have signed on without provisions protecting slavery. n/t JustinL Dec 2016 #9
Sure... eniwetok Jan 2017 #13
so you agree that the Constitution set the politics of 1787 in cement? eniwetok Jan 2017 #10
You do know how this country was put together right? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #4
Exactly forthemiddle Dec 2016 #6
curious definition of "self-governed" eniwetok Jan 2017 #11
We The People... eniwetok Jan 2017 #12
but the Presidency is a national office JustinL Jan 2017 #17
state vs federal eniwetok Jan 2017 #23
we have to stop being victimized by the politics of 1787 eniwetok Dec 2016 #7
Yup, the popular vote was compromised away eniwetok Jan 2017 #15
Serious change starts at the local level. Initech Jan 2017 #16
the problem with thinking change starts at the local level eniwetok Jan 2017 #25
The vote is lost. For good. You won't get it back with voting. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #18
PS Democracy died in 2010 with Citizens United. Most folks just didn't realize it at the time. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #19
sorry.... CU may not have mattered eniwetok Jan 2017 #21
Forget democratic, is our government today even representative of the people? ck4829 Jan 2017 #20
the only way government can represent the people eniwetok Jan 2017 #26
teach civics...teach civics...teach civics annabanana Jan 2017 #22
what good is civics if the system is not responsive to the People? eniwetok Jan 2017 #24
The crappy electoral system is the core of the US' political failings: DetlefK Jan 2017 #27
our system can create contempt between natural allies. eniwetok Jan 2017 #28
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»How are voters ever to le...»Reply #15