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ismnotwasm

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126. I love Van Jones

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 12:18 PM

Jan 2017

And I get where he is coming from, but I vehemently disagree on trashing the Clintons to make a progressive point. At the same time I agree with the idea of a full in your face progressive agenda, I'm not sure we can pull it off. In fact, any progressive agenda may have been pushed back by at least a decade or more-- The reason is the damage that Trump is about to inflict, indeed, the damage his very presence inflicts, he thrives off contention, he is deliberately increasing the political polarization in the US--not to mention internationally and his particular "base" needs to be thoraghly discredited, before we move forward. We need to contain and limit the damage.

If Hillary had won--he'd actually have more of a point, but she didn't--too many fell for too much bullshit. Too many didn't care enough to vote. And here we are.

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Van Jones on Democratic Partys Future: The Clinton Days Are Over You Cant Run and Hide [View all] Alekzander Jan 2017 OP

Yeah that damn Obamacare..... Historic NY Jan 2017 #1

I know & agree. It is hard to understand how the Dems let that part get away so easy. They should Alekzander Jan 2017 #5

The Dems don't have a set of Koch Brothers to catapult the propaganda, Alekzander. That seems Hekate Jan 2017 #97

Uhhh.... Our big problem is that LIES DON'T WORK FOR US. Hortensis Jan 2017 #129

When Democrats do something right, they apologize for it. When Republicans do something wrong... yurbud Jan 2017 #20

Well said!!! Democrats are SLOW learners!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #79

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #119

Sounds like a pretty bizarre rant, given the facts that President Obama lapucelle Jan 2017 #2

+100000000000 I can't with Van anymore. JHan Jan 2017 #4

Yeah his analysis borders on delusional La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #6

Actually, I think it is delusional to say his analysis borders on delusional. Van unlike many has Alekzander Jan 2017 #10

But Van seems to give Obama a pass on DNC and blames it all on HRC. Obama is the one who appointed Justice Jan 2017 #15

Agreed. There's lots and lots of bashing to go around in the present cluster fuck. paleotn Jan 2017 #19

What I don't get is: JHan Jan 2017 #28

Don't agree with Jones on all things, but he makes good points... paleotn Jan 2017 #18

Bob Somerby of the Daily Howler has been covering the revisionism lapucelle Jan 2017 #26

"Only one candidate for president this year voted in favor" TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #51

I think it's safe to say that Hillary would have voted for the bill, but it's Jones lapucelle Jan 2017 #53

Fair enough n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #54

Two points..... paleotn Jan 2017 #59

Bob Somerby was not defending the crime bill or the repeal of Glass-Steagall. lapucelle Jan 2017 #64

Yes, a lot of blame to go around.... paleotn Jan 2017 #67

I wasn't aware of him, that's the most balanced commentary on those issues I've read. JHan Jan 2017 #66

Bob Somerby is daily read for me. He's a liberal critic of the liberal media, lapucelle Jan 2017 #101

Well said, lapucelle! Why hasn't Van Jones spoken out against Sierra Blanca? Cha Jan 2017 #41

I suspect he is on CNN for a reason-- because he will help undermine Dems Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #45

That's funny, there i was thinking the rest of brass in Democratic party had it well in hand nolabels Jan 2017 #52

the fact is moderate Dems are the ones who've gotten elected President recently Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #69

You must be talking about the chameleons that talk like liberals nolabels Jan 2017 #118

well, thanks for helping to get Trump elected then Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #120

Totally agree, Fast Walker.. "he will help undermine Dems" Cha Jan 2017 #72

He's Very Good At Artful Smears otohara Jan 2017 #127

Yes, artful indeed. Because he says a lot of good things, while putting out crap like this (the OP) Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #131

Let's see, FDR was President how many cycles ago? truebluegreen Jan 2017 #55

Jones was talking about current putative problems in the perception of the Democratic lapucelle Jan 2017 #58

My "perception" of the Democratic Party truebluegreen Jan 2017 #65

I wasn't talking about a life long Democrat's perception lapucelle Jan 2017 #68

The only thing wrong with the talking point truebluegreen Jan 2017 #75

I think Hillary paid a higher price for her mistakes lapucelle Jan 2017 #77

Sexism certainly played a part truebluegreen Jan 2017 #87

There was a great article in NY Magazine that in part discussed lapucelle Jan 2017 #94

I think she was a legacy truebluegreen Jan 2017 #111

No record to run on? maddiemom Jan 2017 #125

Exactly! maddiemom Jan 2017 #124

+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #92

What did we do wrong? Hard to say because the election was STOLEN. The Putin/Trump war room AnotherMother4Peace Jan 2017 #3

It WAS an act of war--and the Republican party was NOT on the American side! lastlib Jan 2017 #9

Funny, the Republicans seem to have a habit of not being on the American side... paleotn Jan 2017 #21

sure seems that way! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #50

Mahalo, AM4Peace! All these vultures aren't talking about that. Cha Jan 2017 #43

While Dems Chase Russians, Repubs Keep Rigging Elections... RealityChik Jan 2017 #113

I agree with all of this except: truebluegreen Jan 2017 #121

good rtracey Jan 2017 #7

Absolutely agree. There is always a time for those to move on & that does not take away from the Alekzander Jan 2017 #8

Exactly. Thanks. zentrum Jan 2017 #14

Yup yup, VJ just tellin it like it is... the Clintons are SO yesterday. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #12

Clinton came across as the elitist establishment HopeAgain Jan 2017 #16

That's been the Democratic mantra for generations.... paleotn Jan 2017 #23

Clinton came across as the elitist establishment LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #33

I mean Cosmocat Jan 2017 #42

No she didn't .. that was a RW talking point. 66 Miilion thought not. Cha Jan 2017 #71

Just because we voted for her RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #81

"Elite Establishment" RW Talking point. Cha Jan 2017 #83

even if.... RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #85

Hillary had a wonderful progressvie Democratic Platform.. she's Cha Jan 2017 #86

oh I'm not disagreeing with any of that RazBerryBeret Jan 2017 #88

Yep loyalsister Jan 2017 #24

I'm sure the Clinton's agree. Don't think it's in her plans to run again. Sanders OTOH. . . ? brush Jan 2017 #56

The tell this is a right wing rant: "Democrat support for Obamacare..." SunSeeker Jan 2017 #11

Prescisely SunSeeker! I wouldn't put one bit of stock in anything Cha Jan 2017 #63

Yep. You know they've adopted right wing narratives when they've adopted GOP mangled grammar. SunSeeker Jan 2017 #74

It's Ridiculous.. but here we are countering RW Talking points. Cha Jan 2017 #84

Van Jones is a RWer now? dionysus Jan 2017 #115

No, he is repeating a right wing rant. nt SunSeeker Jan 2017 #117

Agreed. nt zentrum Jan 2017 #13

They've gone hard right Horse with no Name Jan 2017 #17

I agree 100% vlakitti Jan 2017 #22

More Progressive is the way to go. The Clinton's had a great run-time for some new blood. jalan48 Jan 2017 #25

Yes. Alekzander Jan 2017 #31

Definitely time for the Dem Party to move Right to capture those rural & red low information states Hekate Jan 2017 #95

LOL-if we did at least we would be consistent with past behavior. jalan48 Jan 2017 #96

You appear to have missed my sarcasm thingy, as well as my point Hekate Jan 2017 #98

I got it- jalan48 Jan 2017 #99

well you cant count on the left to vote so you have to move to the middle Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #27

In my area, at least, you absolutely cannot count on the left to vote. femmedem Jan 2017 #36

the excuses make me sick Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #39

So you wanna move right, eh? dionysus Jan 2017 #116

no i dont. i want the left to fall in line during the general Ohioblue22 Jan 2017 #123

The Clinton days are over, elmac Jan 2017 #29

a Clinton is so Scary that Republicans had to turn to Putin to keep her out of office. So sad. n/t delisen Jan 2017 #30

Sanders is talking about more sucking up to white working class men who voted for Trump bigtree Jan 2017 #32

Sanders is talking about more sucking up to white working class men who voted for Trump. LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #34

It seems to me Bernie's talking about OnionPatch Jan 2017 #128

if he WAS talking about ALL working class bigtree Jan 2017 #130

So he acknowledges some of the party's failures OnionPatch Jan 2017 #132

you're arguing with your own invented premise, not mine bigtree Jan 2017 #133

lol. van jones works for cnn JI7 Jan 2017 #35

we need leaders like Gavin Newsom, who represent the future. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #37

Gavin Newsom has been mentioned a lot along with Kalama Harris Alekzander Jan 2017 #38

I like Harris, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #40

True there Warren. Gavin & Kamala are like CA, forward thinking, young & strong leaders that has Alekzander Jan 2017 #44

You make good points. One thing that should be remembered, though, outside the specific presidential Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #47

Well, you & I are on the same page, agree totally especially the messaging part. Also, yes, Alekzander Jan 2017 #57

googling leads to he is running for governor of CA treestar Jan 2017 #78

he has led on issues like marriage equality and cannabis legalization. Ahead of the curve. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #134

Only supported Clinton in primaries/general cause she was choice left after O'Malley KittyWampus Jan 2017 #46

Now we have a leadership vacuum, but that also provides an opportunity for us to decide what we Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #48

Warren that is correct like how the Brooklyn Clinton Headquarters ignored the campaign workers on Alekzander Jan 2017 #61

Exactly. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #62

Jones is mostly correct, but it remains to be seen how much $$$ the Clinton Foundation will be able aikoaiko Jan 2017 #49

You don't have a single damned clue what the Clinton Foundation actually does; do you? Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #70

Yes, Maru Kitteh, I know what the Foundation does. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #80

So, sideways out of orifices not intended for the purpose, then. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #90

You can say that again, Kitteh betsuni Jan 2017 #91

Your friends will console you through your sickness, I'm sure. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #100

The fact of HRC for the most votes on the primaries and the most votes in the Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #60

Wait, is it 2001? Did I accidentally fall into a time machine or something? betsuni Jan 2017 #73

Far from over. HassleCat Jan 2017 #76

Bill Clinton's influence on the party resulted in winning the popular vote 6 of the last 7 elections stevenleser Jan 2017 #82

so proud of my state MFM008 Jan 2017 #89

Yup. 47% of voters wanted the next president to be more conservative. SunSeeker Jan 2017 #93

That's a scary statistic. joshcryer Jan 2017 #122

We lost in 2000, 2004, and now 2016. And that's ignoring state-level results, which have been worse. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #103

Stop trying to use melodrama to try to overcome facts. It makes you look silly and it won't work. stevenleser Jan 2017 #104

"a lot of Democrats simply undervote and leave the lower races blank on their ballots" killbotfactory Jan 2017 #107

Yep. stevenleser Jan 2017 #108

And by the way, see Sunseeker's #93 above. We don't have to guess what the people want. stevenleser Jan 2017 #106

Why do you have so much trust in polls after this election? killbotfactory Jan 2017 #112

Yes, all of a sudden everyone thinks they are smarter than pollsters and can ignore the one piece stevenleser Jan 2017 #114

Wow. I never would have guessed how easy it would be for some to throw him under the bus. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #102

What you call throwing under the bus, I call disagreeing because he is wrong. No big deal. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #105

Calling his point delusional, bizarre, RW talking points not throwing him under the bus? aikoaiko Jan 2017 #109

I would say his point is definitely bizarre given history. Disagree with delusional. Could be stevenleser Jan 2017 #110

I love Van Jones ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #126