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eniwetok

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30. more of your goal post moving...
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jan 2017

Is that your main debating tactic... to keep moving the goal post? We're discussing nationalism... and instead of staying on topic you jump to something else. It's a classic sign of someone with an agenda who's going to hold an opinion regardless if their rationale for it hold up.

It should be obvious that not all corporate forms are the same... that some NATIONS put their corporations on a tighter leash than we do in the US. We're not the EU that provides for internal free trade but has internal transfers of wealth. Your idea of free trade is to allow rat eat rat competition pitting US workers and corporations who want to stay in the US against foreign workers and manufacturers. Wow!

We The People provide plenty of freebies to capital from free intellectual property monopolies like patents, copyrights, and trademarks to free limited liability protections to corporate owners which arguably should be purchased on the private market as insurance. Government did not try and level the playing field with labor protections until the 30s. Much of the social progress of the 20th century has been to civilize the amoral corporate form we created. You make it seem as if corporations were handed down on a slab and are our saviors. AGAIN... you're pushing a right wing meme. So as a society we don't have to control corporations... the "solution" is place the burden on individuals to create their own corporations and out compete the bad ones. Duh! I'm just waiting for you to say US workers can protect themselves if they just buy stocks in companies that leave the US. As our history proves in the rat-eat-rat market the amoral corporation has the competitive edge over the decent one. BTW... as a retailer Costco is not subject to the competitive forces a manufacturer is when we have free trade.

Is trade useful? Sure... IF IT BENEFITS BOTH SIDES. But AGAIN... your ideas on the "morality" of trade is to screw US workers because even if they're getting screwed they should be thankful their not impoverished by global standards, in order to benefit corporate owners and foreign workers.

Are you ever going to explain where our government is responsible for people in other nations?


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During the campaign, he talked about raising tariffs 35% RDANGELO Jan 2017 #1
Nothing because the republican congress will never allow it onecaliberal Jan 2017 #2
THIS Cosmocat Jan 2017 #5
Trade is not as simple as the article tries to make it. The tariffs Trump talked about could set Hoyt Jan 2017 #3
Right wing meme.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #7
There's really no way to change it unless you think we will be better off trading among ourselves. Hoyt Jan 2017 #8
that's not our history eniwetok Jan 2017 #9
The world is very different now. We have competent competitors who can do much of what we do. Hoyt Jan 2017 #10
so we sacrifice US workers for foreign farmers eniwetok Jan 2017 #11
I'm sorry, I am not a Nationalist, America First type when it comes to sharing the world's wealth. Hoyt Jan 2017 #12
you're avoiding the question of who makes the sacrifice eniwetok Jan 2017 #13
Most people in this country are the world's 10%ers. I'm for helping those who aren't. Hoyt Jan 2017 #14
OK, you're making the moral case... that right wingers often make eniwetok Jan 2017 #15
Well, you are making the argument that Trump supporters make. We live in a big world, so yeah Hoyt Jan 2017 #16
If they are... they stole the argument from... eniwetok Jan 2017 #17
Almost everyone here will make the sacrifice for trade wars, isolationism, etc. Those hurt worst, Hoyt Jan 2017 #18
you're moving the goal post.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #19
I get that you could care less about people in foreign countries. Fact is, if we don't trade Hoyt Jan 2017 #20
you're still moving the goal post. eniwetok Jan 2017 #22
Sadly, small towns don't have much future if you want more than they have to offer. Hoyt Jan 2017 #28
where did I ever say Trump would change anything? eniwetok Jan 2017 #31
I never said I came from a small town eniwetok Jan 2017 #33
I don't have a plan eniwetok Jan 2017 #32
on nationalism eniwetok Jan 2017 #21
Do you work for a corporation? You and a couple of friends can start Hoyt Jan 2017 #29
more of your goal post moving... eniwetok Jan 2017 #30
He will use trade to try to prove he is a genius Generic Brad Jan 2017 #4
free trade was a trap eniwetok Jan 2017 #6
Trump was just playing people; the fast-food CEO labor secretary proves it. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #23
Trump's view on labor is what we'd expect from a "billionaire" eniwetok Jan 2017 #24
what were you agreeing to? eniwetok Jan 2017 #25
I'm generally agreeing with Dean Baker portlander23 Jan 2017 #26
I agree with that... eniwetok Jan 2017 #27
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