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appal_jack

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79. Did you ever consider democracy?

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:15 AM

Jun 2012

This site is Democratic Underground. While that may mean blind Democratic party loyalty to some, I prefer to concurrently embrace the notion that because we are Democrats, we believe in government by the 'demos,' i.e.- the people.

I have been paying close attention to politics & policy for decades now, so I feel quite competent to evaluate the performance of the present AG. But more imortantly, the AG works for us. 'Eleven-dimensional chess' & super-secret double-plus-good policies don't cut it. Had Holder upheld the full Bill of rights, as is his job, he would have the unequivocal support of myself and many Americans like me. He didn't, and so he doesn't. Maybe the 'Eleven-dimensional chess' strategists can put these facts in their pipes & smoke 'em.

As I said, I expect better from the second Obama administration. I am willing to temper my (legitimate) anger aginst Holder for a few months in order to help make that second Obama administration happen.

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Why defend Holder? Is this guy worth the effort? [View all] brentspeak Jun 2012 OP

You are probably right. deaniac21 Jun 2012 #1

Holder isn't worth it, but Obama is appal_jack Jun 2012 #52

Did you ever consider that there are special considerations for an AG flamingdem Jun 2012 #68

Did you ever consider democracy? appal_jack Jun 2012 #79

The same people that defend him Aerows Jun 2012 #2

Exactly. He's a POS with a reprehensible record, but we're obliged to defend him because Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #28

People with political cognitive dissonance are worse than hypernationalists OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #3

Doesn't ProSense Jun 2012 #4

I agree with you mercymechap Jun 2012 #14

That's Assumes There'll Be A New AG... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #21

Much as I dislike Holder pscot Jun 2012 #36

So, every time the GOPers have a hissy fit we should just have our guys resign - so that they win? Tx4obama Jun 2012 #5

Aren't you tired of handing the GOP easy wins? Holder hasn't done anything to resign over.... swayne Jun 2012 #6

Exactly. Doing just what the Rs want is so smart, not. treestar Jun 2012 #73

Yep. Obama's re-election is somewhat more important than Holder's survival. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #7

I don't think it does... Chan790 Jun 2012 #40

I want the media to do their job and show the world what this is - a Partisan Witch Hunt LynneSin Jun 2012 #60

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #8

That's pretty much what I think, too, except he's been worse than useless EFerrari Jun 2012 #19

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #25

That's right. However using the Espionage Act, coordinating EFerrari Jun 2012 #32

I think we (and, particularly in this case, Nancy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #74

Interesting. I'd forgotten about Joe. EFerrari Jun 2012 #77

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #83

The Bush mafia has been using Florida as their base for a long time. EFerrari Jun 2012 #87

Hopefully ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #90

+1. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #29

DOMA and protecting the right to vote must not matter to the OP. geek tragedy Jun 2012 #9

Off Topic: Eric Holder's wife's sister Tx4obama Jun 2012 #10

Radio host Rob Reading has said he supports Holder because he 'goes after the racists.' RZM Jun 2012 #11

There's a sheriff in Arizona you may want to read up on, for one. Gman Jun 2012 #16

Ok. Except Reading is quite hostile to Obama's recent stop-deportation order RZM Jun 2012 #18

Maybe I misunderstood your post but Gman Jun 2012 #58

You're right. He is an example RZM Jun 2012 #71

great plan rufus dog Jun 2012 #12

What makes you think that the pukes need to be handed talking points? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #30

A stalking point, because that's how they'll use it. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #31

I think you may have confused the o.p. with someone who actually gives a shit about.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #37

Lots of DUers would be calling it a cave if he did do that. Swede Jun 2012 #13

Give us a friggin' break Gman Jun 2012 #15

You sound just like Obama when it comes to medicinal cannabis. Webster Green Jun 2012 #53

I don't care.. sendero Jun 2012 #17

Totally. Webster Green Jun 2012 #54

That's the worst part of this - TBF Jun 2012 #20

That's an interesting comparison. EFerrari Jun 2012 #26

It's his raids on leftist groups - TBF Jun 2012 #57

What I don't understand is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #78

It wouldn't make sense to give in to Issa EFerrari Jun 2012 #81

just to get your little cheap shot at the president bigtree Jun 2012 #22

k/r emilyg Jun 2012 #23

Baloney treestar Jun 2012 #24

Issa has had plenty of victories, and we were appalled but didn't get much support airc. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #50

He's also going after voter suppression laws in FL and elsewhere (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #76

I think they should stand behind Holder just like they did Shirley Sherrod.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #27

So are you saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #80

Let's just say my point is more that it's not a usual pattern of behavior among Democrats. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #85

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #89

But if Holder goes, HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #33

Do you really think the rethugs will be satisfied with Holder stepping down? Hugabear Jun 2012 #34

Bingo. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #35

And the campaign continues. When will "enough be enough"? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #38

You defend him not for who he is... Chan790 Jun 2012 #39

The problem is that there ISN'T a scandal. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #41

Thank You ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #82

Sure You Do... Like Holder, Obama, The Democratic Party Itself... WillyT Jun 2012 #42

republicans won't stop at Holder bigtree Jun 2012 #43

Why throw him under the bus? And so soon? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #44

Oh, it is totally a partisan witch hunt and an extremely hypocritical one at that TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #61

There's a "bigger picture" at the moment however Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #65

Holder has nothing to do with it, other than being Black. stevedeshazer Jun 2012 #45

"They are after President Obama." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #46

Because this isn't "our" opportunity to get rid of Holder. Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #47

Only if you believe Holder's lies about only targeting unlawful dispensaries. Webster Green Jun 2012 #55

defend holder? madrchsod Jun 2012 #48

No, he's not. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #49

Hopefully Holder and other top officials and cabinet picks will be asked to leave quinnox Jun 2012 #51

Replace/fire him after the election. progressoid Jun 2012 #56

I would probably agree with you if Issa and the GOP were going after a real cause LynneSin Jun 2012 #59

Holder isn't worth the effort or worthy of defense, BUT Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #62

I'm glad you came out of that coma jeff47 Jun 2012 #63

Holder should not be there in the first place. NCTraveler Jun 2012 #64

So, we get rid of Holder, do the repubs allow a nominee through before the election? justiceischeap Jun 2012 #66

Because Holder is blocking their efforts to illegally throw voters off registers muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #67

Because.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #69

To me this question has one answer: Do we want the DOJ leaderless when the issues of immigrants jwirr Jun 2012 #70

No one else would be confirmed treestar Jun 2012 #72

I agree. I would have liked to have seen Holder go 3 years ago, but tomorrow isn't too late. 1-Old-Man Jun 2012 #75

Not many of these clowns in office are worth defending (nt) bigwillq Jun 2012 #84

'pointless little victory' you think they will stop with holder? bwahahahahahaaa spanone Jun 2012 #86

It was Obama himself who offered up Van Jones and Shirley Sherrod brentspeak Jun 2012 #88

Only because Obama is the real target hack89 Jun 2012 #91