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OneTenthofOnePercent

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23. Whether a gun originated as a legal civilian or government US firearm...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

it will have serial numbers. As required by law, firearms commercially manufactured in the US or legally imported must have a manufacturer/importer name, location, caliber, and serial number. Even if this information were obliterated (to avoid discrete tracking) it would still be evident that some information at some point existed and likely existed because the gun is from the US. Such a firearm can be reasonably considered to have been trafficked from the US.

From the government GAO-09-709 Firearms Trafficking Report: Over 90 percent of the firearms seized in Mexico and traced over the last 3 years have come from the United States. ... In 2008, of the almost 30,000 firearms that the Mexican Attorney General’s office said were seized, only around 7,200, or approximately a quarter, were submitted to ATF for tracing.

Note the bolded portions above and understand the caveat of the "most guns come from the US" meme... you can only determine the origin of TRACEABLE firearms. In the government's own report, it indicates that mexico only submits about 25% of the net firearms seized. If a firearm appears to have no markings destroyed and no legal american required markings or it is evident that the firearm carries foreign identification (soviet surplus, chinese, combloc, etc...) then there is little reason for the Mexican government to request US trace data for that firearm.

Not to mention when you see the photo op pictures of Mexican police posing behind the proverbial gaggle of seized guns. Next time you notice a pic like this, if the resolution is good enough, look at the firearms closely. In addition to your average rifle/pistol you'll see grenade launchers, light/crew machine guns, grenades, AK/AR rifles with select fire fire control groups, belt fed machineguns, RPGs, short barreled rifles... all sorts of actual military grade shit. These guns are not coming from US civilian gun shops and gun shows. Stuff like this in the US, if it's legal at all, is WAY more regulated and not simply cash and carry.

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No, the assault weapon ban was pretty weak. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #1
How many military-style weapons and large clips were sold per quarter before ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #8
I don't have the time to dig up hard statistics... but OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #22
You'd think laws that say "No gunrunning to Mexico or anywhere else." would be enough Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #2
OK, you asked for it so here's my opinion and you probably won't like it. slackmaster Jun 2012 #3
Spot on! (as usual) badtoworse Jun 2012 #4
What was the incidence of firearm deaths in Mexico and mass killing incidents in the US ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #5
Pick whatever statistics and factoids make you feel good slackmaster Jun 2012 #7
Funny you focused on 1994. 1998 and 1999 were the series low points. ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #10
Yet for some strange reason, violent crime has been trending DOWN in the US the whole time slackmaster Jun 2012 #12
'The Mexican military escalated the fight'--and the US firearms market ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #15
Thanks for the kicks, folks, but so far no one has answered the question ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #6
My opinion is that the Assault weapon ban ....... oldhippie Jun 2012 #9
It appears that Issa's committee is focusing ONLY on government actions AFTER ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #11
No, the AWB is not relevant to the investigation oldhippie Jun 2012 #14
'about a dead agent ... and policy decisions'. NO. Issa has no interest in documents ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #17
The policy decisions that continued it. oldhippie Jun 2012 #20
Legalizing drugs (even just pot) would have a much bigger impact on reducing gun violence. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #13
'Most ... didn't come from US gun stores'--So there ARE foolproth methods to trace ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #16
Nothing is foolproof. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #18
Are there some captured guns that cannot be traced? Then that ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #19
They already take into account the untraceable ones if I recall correctly. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #21
Whether a gun originated as a legal civilian or government US firearm... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #23
Not really his committee's juristiction Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #24
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