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longship

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81. For Christ sakes Nance, give it up.

Wed Jan 4, 2017, 02:29 AM

Jan 2017

The "Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat" argument is inoperative.

Bernie has, for decades caucused with the Democratic Party. His loyalty is not in question!

Vermont has a rather long history with independent politicians. Nevertheless their allegiance is pretty damned clear. Remember Jim Jeffords?

By some people's criterion I would be an independent since my state, like Vermont, does not allow party voter registration. The same damned thing with open primaries. One cannot have a closed primary in a state without party voter registration. That's just fucking impossible, and no political party would agree to such a thing. But I demure.

Stop ringing that cockamamie "Bernie is not a Democrat" bell.

Love you madly, Nance, but it's not true, and you should know it.

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Schumer was better than I thought flamingdem Jan 2017 #4

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Yes, thanks! JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #3

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Jan 15th? pnwmom Jan 2017 #9

Bernie was inspiring tonight. democrank Jan 2017 #7

"What more can we ask from any Dem leader?" NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #10

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No, he hasn't. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #12

He's an FDR Democrat zentrum Jan 2017 #15

FDR was a Democrat. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #21

Bernie is unique, and so is Vermont flamingdem Jan 2017 #34

Sorry, but no. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #36

Not this shit again. longship Jan 2017 #75

Yes, and lordy do we need him now! flamingdem Jan 2017 #77

Oh, no! Not the "Bernie caucused with the Dems" ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #78

I'll stand by my post, Nance. longship Jan 2017 #84

Bernie declared himself an Independent for decades ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #87

Who cares! longship Jan 2017 #90

It's like this, my friend ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #100

Well, my friend, he certainly acts like one. longship Jan 2017 #102

Acting like something ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #103

Thank you Nance! Thank you very much. longship Jan 2017 #104

Right back at ya! NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #105

Sounds like theological arguments SujiwanKenobee Jan 2017 #138

+2.385,193 pangaia Jan 2017 #140

"Rhetorical" that Bernie SAYS he is independent Hortensis Jan 2017 #191

Yeah! Maybe an analogy is like someone who won't join R B Garr Jan 2017 #99

Perfect analogy! NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #101

My favorite Groucho quote! mcar Jan 2017 #125

Again, who the fuck CARES?! Shitting on your scapegoat is apparently more important dionysus Jan 2017 #115

And this is a Dem, for crying out loud..... MaeScott Jan 2017 #118

Thank you for that.... pangaia Jan 2017 #141

Profoundly disrespectful to Bernie. Do we imagine Hortensis Jan 2017 #190

Some pithy quotes from Sanders over the years (there are lots more): George II Jan 2017 #130

OMG. You didn't just use Bernie's own words did you? Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #173

. George II Jan 2017 #174

So is Joe Manchin, but I'm not trying to follow him. Tatiana Jan 2017 #70

Agree entirely. Dem leaders feel Bernie can be helpful Hortensis Jan 2017 #188

Exactly. I don't care how many people register as Dems. I just want progressive policies enacted. femmedem Jan 2017 #117

Sensible comment. And since Bernie has done Hortensis Jan 2017 #192

If semantics are the issue, he is a great leader and representative of the left coalition. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #16

Being willing to BE a Democrat ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #19

I don't see that as being an issue. Bernie is what he is & he does not just talk the talk. I will Alekzander Jan 2017 #22

Talking out of both sides of the mouth? NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #24

Right. He didn't run AS a Democrat, he just IS one. pangaia Jan 2017 #30

Not according to Bernie. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #59

Please see my reply about a koan. pangaia Jan 2017 #64

But WHY do you need to imagine Bernie is a Democrat? Hortensis Jan 2017 #194

Ummmm...... keep pondering on what I said.... or not.... pangaia Jan 2017 #195

This is going to sound harsh, but I feel I understand Hortensis Jan 2017 #196

I could just comment on one thing.. pangaia Jan 2017 #198

Well, I can't follow into a level of enlightenment I Hortensis Jan 2017 #202

Unfortunate you feel it necessary to ridicule. pangaia Jan 2017 #203

I thought I avoided ridicule. I did wonder if Hortensis Jan 2017 #204

In his own words: "I am not a Democrat, period." George II Jan 2017 #131

Don't see that as talking out of both sides of his mouth. I am just fine with him right where he is Alekzander Jan 2017 #127

We have a 2 party system when it comes to running for president. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #23

He is also NOT a Democrat. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #25

Yes he is a Democrat. pangaia Jan 2017 #31

Not according to the man himself. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #35

Yes,but he is a democrat. pangaia Jan 2017 #45

No, Sen Sanders never was and is not a Democrat. musette_sf Jan 2017 #48

Yes he is a Democrat. pangaia Jan 2017 #53

I see your response to facts musette_sf Jan 2017 #129

How nice that someone here respects Bernie for Hortensis Jan 2017 #197

Can you post a link ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #52

There are no "links." You will just have to figure this one out for yourself. pangaia Jan 2017 #55

They're technically correct, but I also treat him like a Democrat... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #93

Well, I certainly just learned something... Many thanks pangaia Jan 2017 #122

In his own words: "I am not a Democrat, period." George II Jan 2017 #134

You're picking nits. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #32

You're either a Democrat ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #42

Nance, you're missing the substance. :))) pangaia Jan 2017 #49

How incredibly irrelevant. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #54

My reply was extremely relevant. pangaia Jan 2017 #56

I guess we are now in territory ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #62

KOAN. pangaia Jan 2017 #144

Right... kenfrequed Jan 2017 #60

This discussion isn't about ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #63

No. kenfrequed Jan 2017 #67

Bravo!! pangaia Jan 2017 #71

In his own words: "I am not a Democrat, period." George II Jan 2017 #135

And there we finally have got to the truth of where your loyalties lie LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #137

... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #160

And the final nail in any argument on DU is... LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #161

If you'd bother to read my posts in this thread ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #166

Who is insisting he is a card carrying Democrat? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #185

Whew thanks for the help. pangaia Jan 2017 #66

You're missing the point that Bernie would be Hortensis Jan 2017 #199

I don't want to get into the middle of this but mobeau69 Jan 2017 #79

Well, thanks for that! NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #82

Sorry, but I don't get it. tecelote Jan 2017 #133

My question is, WHY they want him to be a Democrat? Hortensis Jan 2017 #200

You are a member of the Democratic caucus or you're not. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #120

I haven't said anything about winning elections. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #157

He's still a leader of the left coalition Gore1FL Jan 2017 #162

Fine. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #163

I never did. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #164

I wasn't talking about you personally ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #167

I guess, but in a 2 party system, it's simply a matter of semantics. nt Gore1FL Jan 2017 #170

"You're either a Democrat ...... or you're not. " pangaia Jan 2017 #143

I don't care if he calls himself a bologna sandwich, I like his politics, America needs his politics putitinD Jan 2017 #152

He more Democrat than 99% of Democrats jack_krass Jan 2017 #73

Ah, the classic response. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #76

He is more dem than the DLC blue dog Dems. nt MaeScott Jan 2017 #107

But that's the point. He IS a democrat. pangaia Jan 2017 #145

If he is a Democrat ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #159

Pffff!!! riversedge Jan 2017 #109

Don't like that? how about : Bernie is to Democrats what Chuck Norris is to Tae Kwan Doe jack_krass Jan 2017 #113

Oh, balderdash! chwaliszewski Jan 2017 #40

When asked point-blank ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #46

And what's your point? chwaliszewski Jan 2017 #69

My point is that he said what he said. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #91

Perhaps he doesn't trust the Democratic party for some reason... chwaliszewski Jan 2017 #108

They will NEVER let go of it. It's like an intellectual Groundhog Day. pangaia Jan 2017 #29

It is not semantics. murielm99 Jan 2017 #37

Agreed. musette_sf Jan 2017 #47

I'm not that picky about who is in what club Gore1FL Jan 2017 #119

Pelosi and Schumer are the leaders of the Democratic Party. n/t murielm99 Jan 2017 #177

There are many leaders in the Democratic Party. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #186

Nonsense. murielm99 Jan 2017 #187

I posted a link that demonstrates otherwise. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #205

" If he can't join the party, then I will not follow him." pangaia Jan 2017 #146

He divided the party, murielm99 Jan 2017 #176

Bull. pangaia Jan 2017 #180

So much for that "big tent" thing........ Amaril Jan 2017 #155

Way to twist the facts. murielm99 Jan 2017 #175

Excuse me? Amaril Jan 2017 #189

Bye. murielm99 Jan 2017 #193

I've never played those games. I've always realized that Bernie was an independent who switched NWCorona Jan 2017 #18

He IS a Democrat. pangaia Jan 2017 #28

he IS a better Democrat than most in the party. He's liberal and dionysus Jan 2017 #114

"Obsessive." That is the word I have been looking for. pangaia Jan 2017 #147

Labels brooklynboy49 Jan 2017 #124

Joe Manchin is a Democrat too. alarimer Jan 2017 #126

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YES, InAb! elleng Jan 2017 #50

BAM!!!!!!!!!! Home run into the upper right field deck.... pangaia Jan 2017 #148

What, a human. n/t kacekwl Jan 2017 #14

Party before country? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #26

Not at all. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #33

He is, uh "standing with the party," or didn't you notice? pangaia Jan 2017 #149

Good for him. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #158

Please, can you not just let go of it? pangaia Jan 2017 #27

Let go of WHAT? murielm99 Jan 2017 #38

Some of us would disagree with that statement. pangaia Jan 2017 #51

Show me his tax returns. murielm99 Jan 2017 #61

Look. You don't like Bernie, so we should just leave it there. pangaia Jan 2017 #65

No kidding. These guys clearly hate bernie more than trump.. bizarre, and sad. dionysus Jan 2017 #116

I think it is also being 'attached' to something, as any Buddhist would understand. pangaia Jan 2017 #123

Except for lukewarm support for Hillary, he did NOT support Democratic principals DFW Jan 2017 #132

This is the Democratic Underground, murielm99 Jan 2017 #179

Brilliant comeback. pangaia Jan 2017 #182

Jesus, give me a break... pangaia Jan 2017 #156

It is time for you to get over yourself murielm99 Jan 2017 #178

I'll get off the floor when I finish my pushups. pangaia Jan 2017 #181

I would like to see these tax returns also Gothmog Jan 2017 #207

Not just some, but all of my friends as do I, would disagree with that statement. 4bucksagallon Jan 2017 #154

I didn't post the OP ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #83

For Christ sakes Nance, give it up. longship Jan 2017 #81

Not true? NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #85

Q: How does become a member of the Democratic Party? longship Jan 2017 #86

By his own words ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #89

Here's the deal. longship Jan 2017 #92

I've never disputed that he has a long record ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #94

That label is fucking meaningless, and you know it longship Jan 2017 #95

Being a member of the Democratic Party ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #96

And to you, my friend. longship Jan 2017 #97

This is the time for us to all come together! Sparky 1 Jan 2017 #111

Trump's loyalty to his followers is also not in question. Hortensis Jan 2017 #201

C,mon Nance--he ran for POTUS as a Democrat. panader0 Jan 2017 #128

Here's the interview NWCorona Jan 2017 #20

Thanks for adding the clip! JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #142

Bernie was masterful, as usual. He just comes across as so genuine... knows what he believes and is not afraid to say it! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #39

"I know who is MY Dem leader" musette_sf Jan 2017 #43

Right. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #72

Bernie was great -- as he's been since he began. Schumer was great -- hope he sticks to it. Sparky 1 Jan 2017 #110

I couldn't care less what initial Bernie has after his name. democrank Jan 2017 #58

Paraphrasing: Trump is off to a great start and hired some good people... ecstatic Jan 2017 #68

He said CHUCK (Schumer) is off to a good start and has brought . . . Sparky 1 Jan 2017 #112

Thank you. Snackshack Jan 2017 #74

Exactly. Let's not be shortsighted now flamingdem Jan 2017 #80

Bernie my ass! Bernie's been in congress since 1991 and suddenly... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #88

There is NO need to mention your rear-end, Bernie is doing what we need right NOW: Fighting! JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #165

Bernie isn't doing squat. Schumer's using him and his adoring followers... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #168

Thanks for not mentioning your rear-end again. BTW, Treason is never good and it is JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #171

Why was he so giddy? He looked oddly gleeful R B Garr Jan 2017 #98

Both Bernie & Rachel were great! nt Raine Jan 2017 #106

Oh man! If only Bernie was the nomination... Bernie 2020! Joe941 Jan 2017 #121

Reminder: Do not bash Bernie Sanders TonyPDX Jan 2017 #136

"This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats" klook Jan 2017 #139

And in the meantime the Clintons, vlakitti Jan 2017 #150

Bernie, disillusioned73 Jan 2017 #151

I don't care if Bernie LittleGirl Jan 2017 #153

I quite agree, Girl Bayard Jan 2017 #183

I don't get it either LittleGirl Jan 2017 #184

He's a convenient scapegoat. Gore1FL Jan 2017 #206

Glad to K&R this! Rex Jan 2017 #169

Thanks Rex! JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #172