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eniwetok

(1,629 posts) Wed Jan 4, 2017, 09:11 AM Jan 2017

If Democracy Is The Basis For Morally Legitimate Government... [View all]

If democracy is the basis for morally legitimate government... then where should a citizen's loyalties be? With that principle or a political party that may have strayed from that principle?

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If Democracy Is The Basis For Morally Legitimate Government... [View all] eniwetok Jan 2017 OP

That is a very tricky question to answer el_bryanto Jan 2017 #1

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #2

sheep and wolves: that's the right wing meme eniwetok Jan 2017 #4

If we had a plebiscitary democracy a lot of the rights we now enjoy we would no longer have. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #7

more right wing memes... eniwetok Jan 2017 #13

So what kind of system did we have in those 3-4 years between ratification and the Bill Of Rights? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #14

you're evading the question eniwetok Jan 2017 #19

you're still not dealing with your contradictions... eniwetok Jan 2017 #20

"...then where should a citizen's loyalties be?" myohmy2 Jan 2017 #3

conversely... if eniwetok Jan 2017 #5

But is it? It's a long read, but still nobody's done it better than... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #6

There is a difference between democracy and liberal democracy. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #9

I think you meant "hate", but the term "democracy" has so many... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #12

leaving aside your strawman argument eniwetok Jan 2017 #36

and these other forms of morally legitimate government are? eniwetok Jan 2017 #21

What if "the people" decided to try out that philosopher king for a while? It's not so easy to... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #22

spoken like a true apologist for the system eniwetok Jan 2017 #23

We still haven't seen your better sytem. TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #25

easy answer... some basic principles... eniwetok Jan 2017 #34

are you EVER going to explain eniwetok Jan 2017 #37

faith-based politics eniwetok Jan 2017 #24

Be as appalled as you like-- people built the system and people maintain it... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #26

so did YOUR god give us our system eniwetok Jan 2017 #29

No, but I still have no idea what your point could possibly be... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #32

RED HERRING ALERT!! eniwetok Jan 2017 #33

yours was a non-answer designed to end discussion eniwetok Jan 2017 #35

With that principle, LWolf Jan 2017 #8

Since 1789.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #10

Our system is riddled LWolf Jan 2017 #11

the Senate doesn't stop majority rule... it permits minority rule eniwetok Jan 2017 #15

And that's why LWolf Jan 2017 #16

who's the minority? eniwetok Jan 2017 #17

we were sold a bill of goods eniwetok Jan 2017 #18

In our system there is no difference between principle and the Democratic Party gulliver Jan 2017 #27

Really? eniwetok Jan 2017 #30

The principles are what matter FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #28

Michael Parenti got it right ages ago malaise Jan 2017 #31