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onenote

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26. The fact that you like to make up your own version of the law doesn't make it real law.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:48 AM
Jan 2017

No, Congress cannot enact laws that go beyond what the Constitution mandates. The qualifications stated in the Constitution for who can become president are not minimum standards that Congress can decide to exceed. Congress can't say that the age standard is a "minimum" standard and thus Congress can specify that someone has to be 52 years six months and 3 days old to be president. Congress can't take the requirement that someone be a natural born citizen and add to it the requirement that no one can run for president if they ever lived outside the United States or a requirement that they not only be a natural born citizen but have been born in one of the original 13 states. Why? Because the stated qualifications are the exclusive qualifications, not the minimum qualifications.

Turning back to the cases you and I have cited, you have ignored a key statement, made at the very beginning of the majority opinion in Thornton: "If the qualifications set forth in the text of the Constitution are to be changed, that text must be amended." The fact that the particular case before the Court involved the Constitutional qualifications to be elected to the House and Senate rather than President is immaterial -- the point is the same: the Constitutional requirements for election to federal office cannot be act by a mere legislative act. It requires a Constitutional amendment.

As for Bowen, your reliance on that case also is misplaced. It was a case in which Alan Keyes (why do crazy repubs seem to be the big supporters of your positions on this issue?) led a fight to force California to investigate whether Obama was qualified to be President. The Court ruled that there was no provision in California law requiring such an investigation and that the Constitutional structure, particularly the 12th Amendment, vested the authority in Congress to make the determination as to whether someone elected to serve as president met the specified CONSTITUTIONAL requirements for such service. But nothing in the 12th Amendment, or the 20th, or any other provision of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to enlarge, reduce or otherwise modify the eligibility requirements specified in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.

Finally, your reliance on the War Powers Act as some sort of precedent supporting the notion that Congress can re-define the eligibility requirements specified in the Constitution is somewhat perplexing. First, the constitutionality of the WPA has not been decided by the SCOTUS. Second, there are arguments about its constitutionality from both sides of the debate -- some argue that it is an unconstitutional limitation on the the President's authority as Commander in Chief. Others state that it is unconstitutional because it is in derogation of the constitutional provision conferring authority to declare war on Congress. But in either case, the argument is that it is in furtherance of some specific power given by the Constitution. Nothing in the Constitution gives Congress authority to impose new eligibility standards on the office of the President.

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At the very least. Yes. n/t Guilded Lilly Jan 2017 #1
Wasn't California going to pass a bill to make this a ballot access requirement? LonePirate Jan 2017 #2
States are going to get creative now- NY w tuition, Cali w this law.. bettyellen Jan 2017 #10
Yes and there is a similar bill being pursued here in Massachusetts as well mythology Jan 2017 #27
I think you're on the right track and they should be considered as part of the financial disclosures Arkansas Granny Jan 2017 #3
It would act as a pre-filter SHRED Jan 2017 #4
Agree mountain grammy Jan 2017 #5
What I think is irrelevant; if it's not in the Constitution it doesn't matter. brooklynite Jan 2017 #6
But the KGOP is all about state's rights. If states pass laws barring anyone from being on the OregonBlue Jan 2017 #7
ahh..but income tax wasn't levied when the Constitution was drafted. sdfernando Jan 2017 #13
OF COURSE it's in the Constitution eniwetok Jan 2017 #19
And would be shot down unanimously by SCOTUS Uggwearingdad Jan 2017 #20
specifically what crap? eniwetok Jan 2017 #21
Imposing qualifications beyond those in the Constitution is unconstitutional onenote Jan 2017 #22
Well played... Uggwearingdad Jan 2017 #23
you're not defending your own argument. eniwetok Jan 2017 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #30
that decision was about state term limits for Congress eniwetok Jan 2017 #24
The fact that you like to make up your own version of the law doesn't make it real law. onenote Jan 2017 #26
Are you running from your own post? eniwetok Jan 2017 #28
No. I'm not sure what would remotely make you think so. onenote Jan 2017 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #31
Yes, I've been part of those discussions as well. onenote Jan 2017 #32
because eniwetok Jan 2017 #38
Again, you're wrong. onenote Jan 2017 #41
we're never going to agree eniwetok Jan 2017 #42
The bounds of the Constitution have been expanded since Hamilton proposed a national bank. eniwetok Jan 2017 #43
Actually, it may be OK for the individual states to require tax returns to be on the ballot. WillowTree Jan 2017 #33
No it wouldn't onenote Jan 2017 #35
Hmmmmm.........of course you're right. WillowTree Jan 2017 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #36
I agree with half your statement. The other half is a legal and logical fallacy. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #34
Absolutely. BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #8
Sad that it should have to be a requirement ToxMarz Jan 2017 #9
And a world geography exam, US Constitution exam, They_Live Jan 2017 #11
How would you get those currently elected to vote TNNurse Jan 2017 #12
You'd have to do what they always do, exempt hughee99 Jan 2017 #16
Tax returns a must bdamomma Jan 2017 #14
Absolutely n/t TicaTwo Jan 2017 #15
It's a good idea, but will require legislation. MineralMan Jan 2017 #17
good idea ...... never get to the floor Angry Dragon Jan 2017 #18
AGREE 100% TrekLuver Jan 2017 #39
All candidates need to be vetted in regards to money owed, and what, countries/mobsters sarcasmo Jan 2017 #40
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