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SaschaHM

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39. It's not worth my time to debate this anymore.

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:02 PM

Jan 2017

They were charged because the DA feels that they have actionable evidence to secure an indictment and a conviction. For hate crimes, that has always been more than the protected class of the victim as you used in your example.. The DA feels that they have something that can prove the MOTIVE behind the attack was that the man was disabled or white. That's what makes it a hate crime, by the legal definition, not the fact that he was disabled or white.

And no I didn't miss the operative word. However, anyone who follows our criminal justice system could tell you that there can disparities between what the DA charges at the outset and what the defendant is found guilty of. Overcharging has been one of the most used ways across this country that overzealous prosecutors force defendants to accept a plea.

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Alt-Right Trolls Use Chicago Kidnapping to Spread Lies About Black Lives Matter [View all] Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 OP

Checking the rwing forums this morning Runningdawg Jan 2017 #1

And spreading fake news that it was a hate crime scscholar Jan 2017 #2

??? Dr. Strange Jan 2017 #3

"The Latest: Police: Race Not Motive Behind Video Attack" scscholar Jan 2017 #12

It was a hate crime, they've been charged with a hate crime, against a disabled person. uppityperson Jan 2017 #14

Thanks. I had no idea that term had been watered down so much by the right. scscholar Jan 2017 #17

"Hate crime" has been watered down by the right? What? Clarify, please uppityperson Jan 2017 #18

Don't bother, it's an act. Marengo Jan 2017 #22

You certainly move your own goalposts with great consistency. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #21

It was a hate crime and they were charged as such. hrmjustin Jan 2017 #4

They were charged with hate crimes today hardluck Jan 2017 #5

It was totally a hate crime, and they were charged as such... nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #6

"The Latest: Police: Race Not Motive Behind Video Attack" scscholar Jan 2017 #10

I doubt politics had anything to do with it either tenderfoot Jan 2017 #11

Race isn't the only factor in a hate crime. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #13

The example that you used actually wouldn't fit the definition of most hate crime laws. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #20

That "example" is what this thread is about, and WHY they HAVE been charged with a hate crime uppityperson Jan 2017 #23

Please don't accuse me of things when I'm just trying to add some knowledge into the discussion. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jan 2017 #30

Wow. Now you are just accusing me of some false stuff. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #32

I apologise, am very sorry, yes did get you confused with someone else. My sincere apology uppityperson Jan 2017 #34

That example is WHY they have been CHARGED Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #38

It's not worth my time to debate this anymore. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #39

Nice try RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #8

It was a hate crime. nt cwydro Jan 2017 #15

You're FALT OUT WRONG! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Jan 2017 #29

That was the whole point of it. tenderfoot Jan 2017 #7

Question? UncleTomsEvilBrother Jan 2017 #9

Too bad they aren't just as aggressive when it's white on black violence. roamer65 Jan 2017 #16

The "alt-right" that typically complains about hate crime laws is about to learn how... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #19

1 of them knew him from school & they picked him because he was disabled. UPDATE article uppityperson Jan 2017 #24

Ugh. cwydro Jan 2017 #26

Then that makes it a hate crime, but I'm not seeing where it says they attacked him SaschaHM Jan 2017 #27

Would they have taken him, then kidnapped and assaulted him if he weren't disabled? uppityperson Jan 2017 #31

From the article you shared with me. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #36

Yup, thank you and again my apologies uppityperson Jan 2017 #37

Play fight that got out of hand? HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #40

That was a beat down, and they're still not shutting up about it. Initech Jan 2017 #33

I expect BLM to be outlawed Generator Jan 2017 #35