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eniwetok

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20. you're still not dealing with your contradictions...

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:43 PM

Jan 2017

You still can't seem to fathom that you're conflating the protection of rights... with antidemocratic government. THESE ARE SEPARATE ISSUES. One can have BOTH a democratic system WITH protection of rights. And you're not confronting your contradiction that whenever there are vote weighting/dilution schemes... and the entire federal government is riddled with such schemes, then it's possible to have a tyranny of the MINORITY... in this case those who represent states with a minority of the population. So who's then protecting the majority against a minority president and Senators who represent 18% of the population? The Senate has unique powers over nominations and treaties. And the Senate has a veto over anything coming out of the House. Who protects the majority when an amendment can be ratified by states with just 40% of the US population?

The ONLY way to deal with this insanity is for every citizen's vote to be equal in terms of representation... and that can only happen by abolishing state suffrage.

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If Democracy Is The Basis For Morally Legitimate Government... [View all] eniwetok Jan 2017 OP

That is a very tricky question to answer el_bryanto Jan 2017 #1

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #2

sheep and wolves: that's the right wing meme eniwetok Jan 2017 #4

If we had a plebiscitary democracy a lot of the rights we now enjoy we would no longer have. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #7

more right wing memes... eniwetok Jan 2017 #13

So what kind of system did we have in those 3-4 years between ratification and the Bill Of Rights? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #14

you're evading the question eniwetok Jan 2017 #19

you're still not dealing with your contradictions... eniwetok Jan 2017 #20

"...then where should a citizen's loyalties be?" myohmy2 Jan 2017 #3

conversely... if eniwetok Jan 2017 #5

But is it? It's a long read, but still nobody's done it better than... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #6

There is a difference between democracy and liberal democracy. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #9

I think you meant "hate", but the term "democracy" has so many... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #12

leaving aside your strawman argument eniwetok Jan 2017 #36

and these other forms of morally legitimate government are? eniwetok Jan 2017 #21

What if "the people" decided to try out that philosopher king for a while? It's not so easy to... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #22

spoken like a true apologist for the system eniwetok Jan 2017 #23

We still haven't seen your better sytem. TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #25

easy answer... some basic principles... eniwetok Jan 2017 #34

are you EVER going to explain eniwetok Jan 2017 #37

faith-based politics eniwetok Jan 2017 #24

Be as appalled as you like-- people built the system and people maintain it... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #26

so did YOUR god give us our system eniwetok Jan 2017 #29

No, but I still have no idea what your point could possibly be... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #32

RED HERRING ALERT!! eniwetok Jan 2017 #33

yours was a non-answer designed to end discussion eniwetok Jan 2017 #35

With that principle, LWolf Jan 2017 #8

Since 1789.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #10

Our system is riddled LWolf Jan 2017 #11

the Senate doesn't stop majority rule... it permits minority rule eniwetok Jan 2017 #15

And that's why LWolf Jan 2017 #16

who's the minority? eniwetok Jan 2017 #17

we were sold a bill of goods eniwetok Jan 2017 #18

In our system there is no difference between principle and the Democratic Party gulliver Jan 2017 #27

Really? eniwetok Jan 2017 #30

The principles are what matter FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #28

Michael Parenti got it right ages ago malaise Jan 2017 #31