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guillaumeb

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97. More surveys about defensive use?

Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:52 PM

Jan 2017

Given the absence of actual evidence, I suppose your surveys are the best you can do.

Again, a nice repetition of NRA talking points but that is no comfort to the 30,000 gun death victims each year.

Perhaps the CDC could investigate gun violence and the link to more shootings and the proliferation of guns in public? Well no. Actually, courtesy of the NRA, it is illegal for the CDC to do so.

Do not believe me?

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-gun-research-funding-20160614-snap-story.html

After you do your better things, perhaps you should read a bit of the above link and do a bit more research. Actual facts would serve you better than insulting language.

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Just another American gun owner... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #1

So all American gun owners sarisataka Jan 2017 #8

The problem is... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #10

No one sarisataka Jan 2017 #11

I live in the Deep Red South... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #14

Not sure how you make that connection... sarisataka Jan 2017 #16

This Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #33

This. Hortensis Jan 2017 #35

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #62

YUP! THIS! NT pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #72

Best response in this whole thread. NutmegYankee Jan 2017 #73

wrestling with a pig, you gonna get muddy..........n/t HAB911 Jan 2017 #82

Just like you can give us no assurance any vehicle operator isn't the next Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel Marengo Jan 2017 #20

False equivalencies are rightwing talking points. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #22

Collective indictments, such as you articulated in post #1, are a right wing characteristic. Marengo Jan 2017 #26

Right wing and radical left. Hortensis Jan 2017 #37

You should check out our 2016 Democratic Party Platform. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #46

You can question courteously. Hortensis Jan 2017 #49

The Party platform condemns every American gun owner as desiring to be mass killer? Marengo Jan 2017 #52

When you go to buy a gun... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #56

The majority of American gun owners have a desire to shoot people? Marengo Jan 2017 #63

The majority of Americans own guns for protection. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #64

They have a strong feeling of wishing for that to happen? Marengo Jan 2017 #83

Post #83 is patiently awaiting an answer. Marengo Jan 2017 #103

I live in the country. cwydro Jan 2017 #105

How is a mass killer in a truck a "false equivalency" to a mass killer with a gun? EX500rider Jan 2017 #34

Doesn't fit his narrative. yagotme Jan 2017 #39

Yeah, we need to have "Truck Violence" websites... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #43

Thanks for the permission. Can cars count, too? yagotme Jan 2017 #45

I can beat that! yallerdawg Jan 2017 #61

Don't see any US vehicle assaults there. yagotme Jan 2017 #112

You seriously consider guns and vehicles to be equivalent? yallerdawg Jan 2017 #41

No I do not, I think trucks are more dangerous in the hands of a mass killer. EX500rider Jan 2017 #44

Guns are specifically designed to kill. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #51

And yet a vehicle, used as a weapon, killed 86 in a single event. Fairly effective for something... Marengo Jan 2017 #54

Which says nothing about intended use, and design intent. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #87

Design intent is irrelevant from a public safety perspective. Now that has been established that... Marengo Jan 2017 #104

Again, design intent is the only relevant issue from a public safety perspective. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #109

And yet 4 more were just killed by something not designed as a weapon being used as a weapon. Marengo Jan 2017 #115

You are ignoring my point. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #119

How about answering my question? What am I to infer from your refusal to do so? Marengo Jan 2017 #120

You might infer whatever you wish to infer. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #121

And now you may post a link to where I've said such a thing, or retract. If you have the integrity. Marengo Jan 2017 #122

Your posts in this thread attempting to equate vehicles with firearms guillaumeb Jan 2017 #123

You have neither apparently. I'll ask you again for a link to where I have indicated I am... Marengo Jan 2017 #124

Perhaps this will help? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #125

Not accepting that, it's too specific and cannot be reasonable deduced from the content of my... Marengo Jan 2017 #126

You may accept or not, but my use of the conditional clearly guillaumeb Jan 2017 #127

No, it does not for the reason I articulated. There is no probability that such a position can be... Marengo Jan 2017 #128

That simple n/t malaise Jan 2017 #116

Cheapest of "arguments". pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #74

Obviously your emotions were triggered. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #88

More childishness and dishonesty. Such a surprise!!! pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #92

"Childish shrieking"? More evidence that your emotions have been triggered? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #94

Dodge, dodge, and more dodge. pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #96

More surveys about defensive use? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #97

You're right....it's goofy, guns are supposed to save lives. ileus Jan 2017 #55

They all have the potential samir.g Jan 2017 #101

Your point? sarisataka Jan 2017 #106

Who? What killer? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #2

The Ft. Lauderdale Airport Shootings...happened today TrekLuver Jan 2017 #4

Thanks - been out all day; just heard about it. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #6

Gunfuckers unite! Iggo Jan 2017 #3

listen that kid was in the National Guard malaise Jan 2017 #5

Smartest post I've seen in awhile AC_Mem Jan 2017 #18

Precisely malaise Jan 2017 #19

Here's to hoping he does well and comes back safe. n/t yagotme Jan 2017 #47

Yup. But blaming guns is what we do best. NT pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #75

I think I heard ten months in Iraq ElkeH Jan 2017 #25

One of my nephews was in Iraq malaise Jan 2017 #78

Yet the chickenhawks ElkeH Jan 2017 #79

My nephew did 5 tours in Iraq, my son did one in Afganistan and one in Kuwait. oneshooter Jan 2017 #89

I don't understand ElkeH Jan 2017 #90

That is not how I read it. oneshooter Jan 2017 #118

A ticking time bomb that went off samir.g Jan 2017 #102

Responsible gun owner until they kill a bunch of innocents. Hoyt Jan 2017 #7

Responsible truck driver, yagotme Jan 2017 #40

Gun fanciers train to shoot and intimidate people. Hoyt Jan 2017 #48

Cite on both? n/t yagotme Jan 2017 #50

LMAO -- Here are a few out of thousands. Hoyt Jan 2017 #57

I see people training to shoot, yagotme Jan 2017 #111

Gunners stick a gun on their hip for it's intimidation value, well and as a compensator. Hoyt Jan 2017 #113

Nearly all states started with concealed carry. Concealed means concealed. yagotme Jan 2017 #114

a friend of mine was at the airport Maine-ah Jan 2017 #9

Horrible. Peace to your friend. haele Jan 2017 #12

Just like the kids we send to war malaise Jan 2017 #117

Another responsible gun owner until he wasn't. nt madinmaryland Jan 2017 #13

Another cliche that does **nothing** to advance the dialog. NT pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #95

Oh, FFS. How the fuck am I supposed to determine who is responsible and who madinmaryland Jan 2017 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #107

It's not up to you to 'determine' anything- if it's legal, MYOB. If not, leave and call 911 friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #108

Yeah melman Jan 2017 #15

The 'Finger gun' salute. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #59

Right melman Jan 2017 #67

i know where you got this ISIS thing. yallerdawg Jan 2017 #68

The picture shows what it shows melman Jan 2017 #69

Registered Republican, I bet! putitinD Jan 2017 #17

"sticking out to resemble a gun" SQUEE Jan 2017 #21

Good luck with that one around here. grossproffit Jan 2017 #30

Or he is saying that he really needs to pee HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #58

I heard that as well. Islam does not have ChazII Jan 2017 #86

He is a mentally ill war vet sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #23

And here I thought he was a mentally ill MineralMan Jan 2017 #24

It's my understanding that those Americans with guns were in well regulated military units. Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #36

And very many of those are firearms MineralMan Jan 2017 #38

I'm sure they are, but I doubt that their being gun owners in civilian life Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #42

Swing and a miss. Try isis salute. n/t X_Digger Jan 2017 #27

Try confirmation bias. ck4829 Jan 2017 #71

Google "isis finger sign". Derp. n/t X_Digger Jan 2017 #80

His finger is representative of The one, There is no god but Allah. grossproffit Jan 2017 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author LittleBlue Jan 2017 #29

He's also a nutter who hears voices in his head Warpy Jan 2017 #31

That will never happen with the VA dismanteling......n/t HAB911 Jan 2017 #84

American?? REP Jan 2017 #32

When will we finally admit guns kill people! ileus Jan 2017 #53

a few do HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #60

Has someone stated otherwise? jonno99 Jan 2017 #65

Guns don't kill people HAB911 Jan 2017 #85

Simply Google: 'ISIS one finger salute pictures' - and see if anything looks familiar. jonno99 Jan 2017 #66

Oh my God... Margaret Thatcher is a secret Muslim fundamentalist!? ck4829 Jan 2017 #70

Yes you are right some of the results are disturbing. However ... spin Jan 2017 #77

Not all gun owners are bad people, obviously, but I wish we had stricter gun regulations... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #76

You're not allowed to own a gun for self defense? Calculating Jan 2017 #98

I assume that Germans who want a gun for that reason... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #100

This thread is one of the most confusing things I have seen on the internet ck4829 Jan 2017 #81

Yeah, that what proud American gun owners do. Point fingers! aikoaiko Jan 2017 #91

Trolling B2G Jan 2017 #110

Or, America is a proud killer loyalsister Jan 2017 #93