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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
50. nothing new there
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jun 2012

the sad part is, in my recollection most of the things you listed as being "good for the environment" have been couched in "energy" terms, and sold as such in conjunction with the "energy" pursuits you disapprove of, not with a focus on their impact on global warming. That's why I say, he hasn't really spoken for the planet much, and what little he has is way outta proportion with the speaking for and action on the interests of selected demographics.

Perhaps maybe you missed the overarching point of my post. I too was a Dean supporter in 2004, and would have preferred Dennis even the last time around. The main point I was trying to make is that there seems to be some major intra-party divisions arising between the "purists" and those who choose to criticize BHO in conjunction with expressions of disenchantment, a loss of enthusiasm, etc, here on DU, and just about everywhere else I sporadically read and post. As noted in my previous response, the only thing that seems to differentiate you and them, is your enthusiasm.

I'm not and didn't intend to be criticizing your enthusiasm despite the many reasons you've shared that could have resulted in a diminshment of it as it has in so many others, I was commenting to whatever readers that might stumble upon in both camps -- the enthused and those who have lost it wholly or in part -- in an effort to end the BS, which is largely coming from the "purist" camp. As noted as well, in the final analysis, the only thing that matters is the number of bodies in the voting booth in Nov, and I see all the condemnation of those who criticize BHO (absent your enthusiasm qualification) as threat to the body count. To see what I mean, try posting a post purely and solely critical of BHO on this or that issue, and see what happens around here.

I say this because I'm a realist too. People with complaints need to air them without fear of reprisal from those who are otherwise their ideological and political allies, and acceptance within that fold can't be conditional upon their sharing the level of enthusiasm those like you and others have maintained despite the many disappointments they may or may not have, like the ones you shared.

I was not very enthused at all when I voted for BHO the first time for many reasons I won't bore you with here. Like you however, for at least as many reasons I don't regret my vote, and despite the fact that all the reasons I was unenthused about have achieved fruition. What I know I would regret, is sitting idly/silently by as efforts were/are made to paint those like me that have criticisms and reservations while lacking the enthusiasm you have maintained, are treated like an enemy. Not only is it counter-productive to our shared goal -- getting him reelected -- it's just plain wrong no matter how you slice it, and particularly when BHO himself has said he wants us to hold his feet to the fire. If not for that -- as about any politically astute gay person could tell you for example, would their civil rights problems have been rectified as or to the extent they have been?

I've thought about doing a top post on this matter, because it is of great concern to me, but as a relative newbie, it's doubtful that I can compete with the many expert C&Pers here and their entourages. I have therefore decided to raise this point where ever and whenever the opportunity presents itself, to maximize the reading of it. So far that has been directly to the "purists" around here that would like to see no doubt, any criticism of BHO disallowed and perhaps even, a banning offense. I doubt seriously anyone like me is trying to dampen the enthusiasm of those like you as they charge, but rather following their own drum beat or music produced by their conscience strings in an effort to promote change, much as you'd like to on the subject of the climate. I see the divisions being created creating a climate conducive for less participation in Nov, not more, by the insistance that everyone be part of nothing but the cheerleading squad, or else.

I'll apologize if you think this off point and a muddying of your post, despite my holding the opposite pov. I see it as being more than tangential to your top post, since the "enthusiasm" you focused on seesm to be the difference between second class BHO supporterhood and not, if not outright treason to the cause.

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I am without a doubt, unequivocably, unapologetically, and enthusiastically joining you! calimary Jun 2012 #1
I'll pile on and join you both! Lugnut Jun 2012 #9
without doubt kardonb Jun 2012 #17
I wish I could recommend this 100 times SoutherDem Jun 2012 #2
Yup Yup Me too. shraby Jun 2012 #3
See you all at the polls Marie Marie Jun 2012 #4
with you Honecombe8 rufus dog Jun 2012 #5
k&r nt steve2470 Jun 2012 #6
So am I, but with reservations. Mine is 70% against Romney, 30% for obama Logical Jun 2012 #7
that is a quite reasonable take stockholmer Jun 2012 #35
Thanks for the great quote! n-t Logical Jun 2012 #36
I hope that you are as committed to making sure BillyJack Jun 2012 #8
My enthusiasm does not match yours, but I will still vote for him in November. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2012 #10
"Romney would be an unmitigated disaster." AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #11
Indeed I could... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2012 #12
Heh AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #13
Yes, Romney would be a dangerous disaster. I think SS & Medicare would be killed.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #22
Yeah, of course he has my vote....nt chknltl Jun 2012 #14
My elderly white male husband and I both intend on voting for Obama. We consider it making sure appleannie1 Jun 2012 #15
I hope many, many others realize this horrid scenario ailsagirl Jun 2012 #16
Ditto. mzmolly Jun 2012 #18
Yeah, I think the old DU has been invaded by Republicans posing as Democrats. mercymechap Jun 2012 #19
That other post you mentioned is why I did mine. That other post was removed from DU... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #21
Nasty thing to say. Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #32
No one has said liberal policies don't matter. He has been liberal, and very liberal in some areas. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #38
No one said he was all conservative. Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #41
How was he conservative re unions? What did he do on education Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #54
Visit the old threads on DU2 Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #65
It IS debatable. Obama/Biden both support unions. I did NOT support Obama getting Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #66
Not if you know anything about teaching. Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #67
I disagree with President Obama on many subjects, but I think he has done well ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #20
Fulfilled 24 of 25 climate change goals? Are you kidding? Time for change Jun 2012 #23
Hear hear!! Democratic party all the way!! MatthewStLouis Jun 2012 #24
I'm right there with you on this one. sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #25
good for you, but why would anyone here try to convince you stupidicus Jun 2012 #26
You nailed it! immoderate Jun 2012 #34
I'm a realist. The plate of the country has been a little full lately... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #39
Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #44
nothing new there stupidicus Jun 2012 #50
Obama is a moderate. I knew this from the start. That may be why I'm not as disappointed... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #53
well stupidicus Jun 2012 #56
I also may have a more realism-type view of politicians. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #60
well stupidicus Jun 2012 #64
The things you are "angry" over are exaggerations treestar Jun 2012 #57
right stupidicus Jun 2012 #58
Count me in too, my husband and son after reading this quote from a Washington insider kimbutgar Jun 2012 #27
100% in agreement nt ecstatic Jun 2012 #28
K&R Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #29
ME TOO! love0bama-4ever Jun 2012 #30
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2012 #31
Me too! chazzio Jun 2012 #33
I will vote for Useless instead of Dangerous Teamster Jeff Jun 2012 #37
Corporate tool instead of batshit mean. Jakes Progress Jun 2012 #40
Hey HoneyC I signed out and signed back dsteven9 Jun 2012 #42
As am I! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #43
Mitt Rob-me and his GOPher cohorts Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #45
Um, no one is trying to convince you not to vote for him quinnox Jun 2012 #46
Yes, the post I was responding to got pulled so quickly, it left smoke it its quake. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #52
I hate seeing post like this Dokkie Jun 2012 #47
Are you serious? Avalux Jun 2012 #59
I couldn't be more serious in my life Dokkie Jun 2012 #62
I'm with you Progressive dog Jun 2012 #48
Obama is the right person for the job for the right time in our history. We need him. He southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #49
"Obama walked into the greatest economic disaster to hit the country, and possibly the world, since" lame54 Jun 2012 #51
Me, too. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #55
This makes the 11th presidential election I've voted in hobbit709 Jun 2012 #61
I'm in too... Bettie Jun 2012 #63
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