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In reply to the discussion: I am so utterly sick of this Third Way shit. [View all]
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)484. Heh, this will be so controversial, I actually agree with half of that...
Last edited Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)
He's right that, at least in theory, states we have trade agreements with have a much lower trade deficit (with regards to us) than states that we don't have a trade agreement with. I only learned this in the past year, it was a startling result.
Note: Obama should still renegotiate NAFTA as he said he would but he only said that because Hillary was to the left of him on that issue... :twisted:
Note 2: NAFTA is the worst of the trade agreements by far, beyond any of the others, if I recall correctly.
edit: it didn't occur to me at the time of posting that he was downplaying the wage disparities that NAFTA caused. Third Way for sure. I only agree with the part that trade agreements can be more equitable than no trade agreements. Not that they are.
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It's: "I accept the 20 lashes because it is sooo much better than 40. Thank you master." nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#42
And what about dipshits who will fall over themselves to launch hate at Obama?
Scootaloo
Jun 2012
#230
It isn't so much that I disagree with them but that, as you explain, their posts
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#435
Looks like you incurred the longest swarm yet. But tread lightly. The Neighborhood Watch
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#360
No not that one, the Tea Party one that is obstructing everything and took America hostage.
FarLeftFist
Jun 2012
#12
Why, it only advances RW causes and fuels the fire for discouraging voter turnout for Obama.
FarLeftFist
Jun 2012
#23
Isn't it Hillary's State Department that does the nitty-gritty negotiations
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#228
I don't think Obama is left of the Clinton's. I also don't view the Clinton's themselves as being left
NCTraveler
Jun 2012
#243
Well...to be charitable...Obama had just never seen things the way many of us see them......
KoKo
Jun 2012
#292
Tough to hide behind the Congress skirt when they are cut out of the loop
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#103
Supreme court and abortion. That's all we've got left from "The Great Society".
Luminous Animal
Jun 2012
#39
What do you mean "also?" That's more than enough reason in and of itself.
TrollBuster9090
Jun 2012
#348
Yeah, yeah, we know. Every criticism is perceived as an attack on Obama,
woo me with science
Jun 2012
#16
I do not monitor the thoughts of individual voters at the polls and hadn't seen you post so I wasn't
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#225
My claim is that the dialog is fixed on personality. Internal thought may vary, observable reaction
TheKentuckian
Jun 2012
#449
There are no more pawns left on our side, they were taken out of the game early.
bahrbearian
Jun 2012
#216
This is nothing new. Anyone who thought Obama would be immune from it is kidding themselves.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#62
You are right. We should just accept it. Because voting is the only viable
Luminous Animal
Jun 2012
#74
We will get closer to what we want when we aim for what we want. Low expectation voters
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#128
Thank you for this post. And it is happening because, up to now, we too have gone along with the
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#99
Those are just talking points, intended to distract. You notice those who disseminate
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#131
You only get either no response or emails with no follow-up? How do the fund raisers overlook you?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#169
"This agreement would reinstate important reforms like expansion of the program to cover
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#223
Whatever he is, I have just five words: three more Supreme Court Justices.
TrollBuster9090
Jun 2012
#342
I've worked in the federal bureaucracy. We knew where the rules came from.
freedom fighter jh
Jun 2012
#147
The post you were responding to got hidden yesterday, yet the poster continued to post in this
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#384
Not sure. I also noted in another OP that the OP author rec'd his own OP.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#430
If you click on the hidden post it wasn't hidden until the day after it was posted.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#445
Help me dion. They're starting to become a blur. They've converted from "Third Way" to uber-libera
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#203
yes, watching stone DLCers "morph" into Kucinizens to cover for the poutrage is priceless...
dionysus
Jun 2012
#237
I think it's even worse than that. I think they're, somewhere, magically to the left of Chavez now.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#241
do note however... some people really are just Naderites. the only reason you
dionysus
Jun 2012
#242
It really is that simple, isn't it? Mutual hatred for Bush united us, which is another reason I'll
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#249
I have plenty of nerve. And a lot more than just nasty snark which is all you post.
Autumn
Jun 2012
#206
Says the guy who supported Hillary, Queen of the DLC. Just too funny. Third Way?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#29
Not looking for it, but I have a long memory. How's that "cleansing" coming?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#34
You have an agenda Manny. Why don't you fess up, and let us all in on it. Frankly, I don't....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#44
Don't know what's going on "downthread", but I think my questions were pretty clear?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#65
You can't even take the time to read the clear refutation of your awful charge.
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#78
I may have been wrong about Manny's primary support, but you're still in fuckin' Kentucky!
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#87
In case you didn't notice, we didn't have a primary. The incumbent is our candidate.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#96
A lot of things are a "pale semblance" of my youth. Rotary phones, B&W teevee, whooping cough....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#114
Not sure what Party you are in, the Democratic Party held primaries this year, I voted Obama.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2012
#184
I am blown away that someone would actually check that out and come to my defense
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#59
Certainly not your experience on DU. I think DUers have been very clear about what exactly
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#124
You can think whatever you want, the only people with rose colored glasses on are still wearing them
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#248
Those are all valid reasons people push back against Obama for keeping campaign promises.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#316
"Obama Slammed Opponent McCain’s Offshore Drilling Plan as ‘Political Posturing'"
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#367
He evolved about a lot of things once he got the nomination. So what is your point?
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#374
My point is that he's been consistent and done everything he said he do within his power.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#377
I get the mandate - but what does that have to do with a public option?
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#385
Yep, and they said "we'll try again next year." Of course, then we let the teabaggers win.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#393
Scott Brown was elected many months AFTER Obama agreed to drop the public option
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#395
The Public Option was still alive Nov. 8th. 2009. Scott Brown got elected on Jan. 28, 2010.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#396
Ted Kennedy was on his death bed when that article was written. What are you saying?
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#400
So? In June of 2009, when Obama ceded a meaningful public option to Pharma and Hospitals in
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#406
He didn't do that. He merely opened up the door for the possiblity of wrangling.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#408
Sen. Barack Obama explains his opposition to lifting the ban on off-shore drilling.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#392
agreed..its because he had such an opportunity to be a hero when we needed one..and he chose
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#247
Not necessarily a liar, but it would've been easy to check before alleging it.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#72
Don't you think that attempting character assassination without checking the facts is pretty awful?
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2012
#77
Most people wouldn't make such a misinformed statement about another DUer, would they?
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#118
I don't know, I've been called quite a few things by people I felt were misinformed.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#121
No it's not a valid insult, it's just a plain old personal attack trying to distract from the real
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#126
No, never call people names, not even Bush, as I rely on facts more than stupid name-calling
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#336
So no name-calling, thank you. What you call 'boxing people in' is generally called stating
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#355
I'm not convinced you've ever convinced me I've been wrong about anything ever.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#357
I disagree, people learn when those who bring non-facts to the table are corrected.
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#373
Yes, more hateful insults to people's intelligence and reading comprehension coming from you.
Kaleko
Jun 2012
#480
I can't imagine anyone clicking that link and considering it "concealing one's true motives."
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#481
The poster got a post hidden yesterday, so theoretically he cant post here.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#386
My, my. Just look at the contortions you're going through to cover for them, though. nt
Poll_Blind
Jun 2012
#117
China and Germany practice protectionism now. Yet they're being hailed for their success.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#37
Well of course they are. Both those governments have to care for their people as both are prone to
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#46
I completely understand and sympathize. It's the classic Hobson's choice.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2012
#41
Our government is supposed to work with checks and balances. Except for Sen Wyden (D-Ore.),
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2012
#48
I vote for new OP, but I have an even worse ice cream headache for you, which is related:
Poll_Blind
Jun 2012
#69
Huh? I can't express my bemusement from the thousandth thread on these subjects?
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#111
I must remember that entertainment and amusement is the primary issue for some.
Bonobo
Jun 2012
#137
I'm familiar. It applies to states like the US as well as totalitarian states.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#145
I really don't know why you think the process of rightward drift is inevitable.
Bonobo
Jun 2012
#146
Until the democratic party is united, as opposed to effectively 3 parties in one...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#148
Fair enough, you inaccurately blame the middle grounders, I blame the demographics.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#151
Americans Will Say They're Conservatives Untill You Ask Them About The Issues
raindaddy
Jun 2012
#189
We don't have to guess at where the American stand regarding issues. All polls taken without
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#290
That's right. We fought in courts, we fought on the ground, because the President wasn't...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#354
Well now you are finally making MY point. The people must lead the way. You've been arguing
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#358
He didn't address your post. But I read it and couldn't agree more, you are absolutely correct
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#413
Let's hope they care enough not to remain silent and to push their elected officials
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#258
I'm pretty sure people stayed home because they were disillusioned by people...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#310
What issue? The only people that see it as an issue are those who can afford iPads.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#420
This must be a strategy because Laurence O'Donnell did the exact same thing the other night
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#134
The Third Way is the slightly slower lane to the same destination the Repbublicans are headed for.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2012
#81
He doesn't need to send you a memo unless you are a member of Congress. He does need
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#136
No thread on corrupted US policy/elections is complete till the Canadian clown car shows up.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2012
#194
hey Sid, need some extra clown white? you can write "Greewald/Manning 12" on your car windows
dionysus
Jun 2012
#240
He would probably want to spell it correctly. Spelling it "Greewald"would make him look idiotic.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2012
#256
Well...maybe I shouldn't have asked "Sid" on this post. I do hope he will get back to me...
KoKo
Jun 2012
#333
oopsie. I didn't know a poster could be locked out of thread they didn't start....oh well.
KoKo
Jun 2012
#364
Saving this subthread for later. Want to REALLY digest the richness of the dialogue.
Romulox
Jun 2012
#190
Have you noticed? This is a "Third Way" website... nearly all vocal Lefties have been PPRed...
Romulox
Jun 2012
#191
true..there are still some of us who remain but its less interesting and less informative without
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#250
a new enforceable corporate global governance -- not a big deal, really.
nashville_brook
Jun 2012
#326
i love that you're "of the opinion" that the secret trade deal is "too boring" to pay attention to,
nashville_brook
Jun 2012
#426
The Third Way is a prime example of "The ends (getting elected) justifies the means".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2012
#224
I hear what you're saying, Manny. Here's something that's been bothering me for a long time...
truth2power
Jun 2012
#232
That document doesn't exist, it's a figment of your hate filled imagination.
whatchamacallit
Jun 2012
#252
Read this as an answer on another Liberal website. It might help understand this news a little.
Theross
Jun 2012
#255
Exactly. I knew he wasn't a raging librul, but I did "hope" (barf)...
WorseBeforeBetter
Jun 2012
#283
this is EXACTLY how i feel too, Manny. this trade action is classic Clintonian fuckery
nashville_brook
Jun 2012
#293
Let me guess, you put the top dog and his # 1 buddy. But the enablers are still running
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#390
Except the controversial bit is "Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises."
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#479
Yeah, I failed hard there, I did NOT agree with their "modest" assessment, which is why I edited.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#492
Hero worship meets cognitive dissonance is the most charitable explanation I can give. nt
Romulox
Jun 2012
#493