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KPN

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64. And I'd appreciate others backing off on

Mon Jan 9, 2017, 01:33 PM

Jan 2017

defending Hillary and ignoring real reasons why we lost the election. I voted for Hillary -- but I always had the feeling this was going to go south largely because she is the ultimate when it comes to "establishment" and it seemed quite obvious to me that this was going to be an anti-establishment election. When you say that there's no accounting for election results given the mass-insanity, I simply disagree. There's a lot wwe can learn and better learn in my opinion.

By the way, I too have voted in every election since 1972 -- always Democrat.

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I am tired of hearing how Hillary blew it [View all] edhopper Jan 2017 OP

Okay Sherman A1 Jan 2017 #1

Exactly zipplewrath Jan 2017 #2

Agreed Sherman A1 Jan 2017 #8

That's how I see it metroins Jan 2017 #27

How exactly could she do that edhopper Jan 2017 #31

Ok. metroins Jan 2017 #33

No edhopper Jan 2017 #36

FBI, Russia, Voter Suppression WhiteTara Jan 2017 #43

Blameless zipplewrath Jan 2017 #89

Really, does the same hold true for Bernie? Walk away Jan 2017 #63

Yes zipplewrath Jan 2017 #88

Those debates alone edhopper Jan 2017 #5

she made her case, and it was a damn good one. trump made his, and his case sucked. unblock Jan 2017 #6

Not to mention edhopper Jan 2017 #9

and i still don't trust the actual counting of votes. unblock Jan 2017 #12

neither do I edhopper Jan 2017 #16

"deck heavily stacked against her"? KPN Jan 2017 #35

i'm all for fixing things, but ignoring the problems is not helping. unblock Jan 2017 #52

FDR would have lost? You know that how? KPN Jan 2017 #61

you seriously think fdr, or sanders, or jfk, would have gotten better treatment from the media? unblock Jan 2017 #65

I don't believe we lost because of the media. KPN Jan 2017 #68

then we'll lose every election going forward by a similar margin. unblock Jan 2017 #69

It is what it is. KPN Jan 2017 #75

quite dismissive of what was, by far, the single biggest factor in the election. unblock Jan 2017 #79

quite dismissive of voters KPN Jan 2017 #87

not in the least. unblock Jan 2017 #95

In washington state the media narrative was that Hillary was a foregone conclusion and trump a laugh AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #106

Ummm, when the media spent 100 minutes of its coverage of the election on emails LisaM Jan 2017 #81

+1 SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #21

+1000 Eom Arazi Jan 2017 #25

your last sentence is astounding treestar Jan 2017 #38

I supported the candidate but the argument Sherman A1 Jan 2017 #53

Politics is just not like that treestar Jan 2017 #71

I'm sorry, however Sherman A1 Jan 2017 #96

I didn't mean it personally treestar Jan 2017 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2017 #40

Thanks, most of us here are sick of this narative randr Jan 2017 #3

and what is interesting is most of those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for still_one Jan 2017 #10

I have run into a few of those edhopper Jan 2017 #18

and I know a few who are now concerned WhiteTara Jan 2017 #45

I voted for that corporatist Hillary. lostnfound Jan 2017 #80

I voted for Hillary in the primaries and WhiteTara Jan 2017 #83

deflection deflection deflection deflection ... KPN Jan 2017 #37

How about we fine those to refuse to let people vote, who restrict their SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #23

The days are counting down citood Jan 2017 #4

Yeah, the voters failed us. How anyone could vote for Trump even in protest just blows my mind. randome Jan 2017 #7

Now there's a solution ... KPN Jan 2017 #39

Ultimately that is when the chips fall randr Jan 2017 #54

And I am tired of various posters giving the Clinton campaign blanket absolution. Raster Jan 2017 #11

WHAT BIGGER FISH?!!? 18?!?! You're kidding right?!! Russia is going to do LESS hacking in 18?!?!? uponit7771 Jan 2017 #13

That is one of the bigger fish, among others. Russia WAS NOT THE ONLY REASON CLINTON LOST. Raster Jan 2017 #14

We agree, Comey and voter suppression were the other EMPIRICAL reasons she lost all other uponit7771 Jan 2017 #15

You have your opinions and are certainly entitled to them. Raster Jan 2017 #17

The hacking isn't opinion... that's "fake news" to call it such uponit7771 Jan 2017 #28

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #24

Exactly! KPN Jan 2017 #41

Not to mention online bullying if you don't toe the line. Raster Jan 2017 #51

this was the part that angered me the most. HughBeaumont Jan 2017 #66

So am I. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2017 #19

It was our duty to elect her fescuerescue Jan 2017 #20

Not just history edhopper Jan 2017 #22

It finally dawned on me why so many Republicans hate Hillary world wide wally Jan 2017 #26

no, I never did edhopper Jan 2017 #29

What she did wrong when? During the campaign? KPN Jan 2017 #46

So,you couldn't come up with anything either? world wide wally Jan 2017 #48

Oh, her whole life? KPN Jan 2017 #57

And ultimately she was penalized for giving speeches to Wall St while Trump put them in charge world wide wally Jan 2017 #62

Didn't break any laws? That's hardly an argument when KPN Jan 2017 #67

I think it's because she was an older woman, seeking the presidency. Sparkly Jan 2017 #76

That doesn't fly .. JHan Jan 2017 #91

I'm sick of the Hillary trashing, here and elsewhere. Paladin Jan 2017 #30

Oh, so its useless, futile. Let's just give up. KPN Jan 2017 #47

I've been voting and participating in presidential elections since 1972. Paladin Jan 2017 #60

And I'd appreciate others backing off on KPN Jan 2017 #64

She didn't beat up on Trump... Blanks Jan 2017 #32

I agree, Democrats need to learn treestar Jan 2017 #34

Democrats do need to show up. But keep in mind that typical Democrats are KPN Jan 2017 #55

What's this WE bullshit? I didn't let her down. I didn't blow it. Iggo Jan 2017 #42

We edhopper Jan 2017 #100

Thing is there are any number of reasons why she lost, JHan Jan 2017 #44

Hillary ran an excellent campaign True_Blue Jan 2017 #49

It was more like 8-10 points or so, but your points are taken. StevieM Jan 2017 #93

Sorry, no onyxw Jan 2017 #99

This is not a popular narrative HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #103

That's okay. onyxw Jan 2017 #114

Outstanding post!!! Welcome to DU! Raster Jan 2017 #107

Thanks onyxw Jan 2017 #116

While your analysis may be unpopular with many posters here ... spin Jan 2017 #113

Nice analysis but zipplewrath Jan 2017 #115

Agree onyxw Jan 2017 #117

Polls are meaningless HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #102

Sec Clinton got 3 million more votes! TheDebbieDee Jan 2017 #50

It was her incompetent staff INdemo Jan 2017 #56

I will agree DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #59

Thank you blue cat Jan 2017 #58

Thank you!! Sparkly Jan 2017 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #72

Yes, thank you edhopper. Paladin Jan 2017 #73

Agreed! WestCoastDem42 Jan 2017 #74

Me too Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2017 #77

As a Bernie supporter, I completely agree. lostnfound Jan 2017 #78

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. We MUST second guess. We MUST learn from this. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #104

We should remember the election of 2000 INdemo Jan 2017 #110

We walked into a 15 year old pit trap. kenfrequed Jan 2017 #82

Hillary's downfall was trusting the wrong people Lee-Lee Jan 2017 #84

This is actually more damning than posts blaming her karynnj Jan 2017 #97

Bear in mind, criticism of Clinton's campaign is simply analysis and game-planning the next election LanternWaste Jan 2017 #85

3 takeaways HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #86

I don't think polling is meaningless.... Raster Jan 2017 #109

So my flip flops on trade let.her down? Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #90

Pissy bullshit from Bernie-bots. Aristus Jan 2017 #92

Why don't we quit talking about Hillary period? Ligyron Jan 2017 #94

If we don't acknowledge edhopper Jan 2017 #101

We can fully acknowledge how far the GOP and the M$Media have stacked the deck... Raster Jan 2017 #105

You can edhopper Jan 2017 #108

I IN NO WAY ARE MAKING SECRETARY CLINTON A PARIAH... Raster Jan 2017 #111

Who here doesn't acknowledge how far the GOP and Media have stacked the deck? Ligyron Jan 2017 #112