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longship

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93. Rubbish! Utter rubbish!

Wed Jan 11, 2017, 01:19 PM

Jan 2017

In Michigan we have paper ballots state wide.

And concerning the Stein funded recounts, none of the three states (WI, MI, PA) were close enough to reasonably expect that a recount would change the outcome. Somebody should have informed her of that undeniable fact. I supported the recounts, however I knew that they would come to no change, especially since HRC could win solely by turning all three states around. There was near zero chance for that, even in MI which had the closest margin.

Before one starts screeching "hacked votes" one had better have some fucking evidence. I have seen none beyond "it coulda happened." I do not buy "coulda". That's not evidence.

The election is over. It's time to organize and resist! There are zero ways to nullify a US presidential election except for those in the US Constitution, none of which include election do overs.

The hacked election argument is fucking useless.

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***AND*** our voting machines were HACKED [View all] LaydeeBug Jan 2017 OP

Piss on all of them. we can do it Jan 2017 #1

Trump himself brought "it" up after being told about the Russian's hacking the election Botany Jan 2017 #2

That statement sure doesn't sound like something he'd be able to compose superpatriotman Jan 2017 #3

I join you in your outrage cyclonefence Jan 2017 #4

Yep. They can be hacked remotely AND LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #8

The servers the vote tally programs are running on Rene Jan 2017 #153

Trump: I will accept election results ... if I win Raster Jan 2017 #5

ABC News: Russian Hackers Targeted Nearly Half of States' Voter Registration Systems... JaneQPublic Jan 2017 #6

+++++++++++ WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?+++++++++ This is the same thing I said uponit7771 Jan 2017 #20

Yep, if they can hack registration databases, then THEY decide who votes! (NT) JaneQPublic Jan 2017 #90

Precisely, and if the authorities claim it to be impossible then Ligyron Jan 2017 #57

Trump liberal from boston Jan 2017 #117

HACKED MOTHERFUCKER. FUCK THESE FUCKING LIARS. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #7

The machines were NOT hacked. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #9

Um...YES. They were. And it doesn't ONLY have to be remotely. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #10

+1, and were best to place them but in rural areas uponit7771 Jan 2017 #18

Global Research is a conspiracy theory site. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #22

Thank you! Amishman Jan 2017 #52

+1 SlimJimmy Jan 2017 #103

Absolute rubbish! longship Jan 2017 #51

No, it's not LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #53

Yes, it is. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #54

Again, no it's not LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #58

Seriously, quit lying. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #61

seriously, I'm not lying...maybe breathe deeply or something? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #63

I read every bit of bullshit you posted. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #64

project much? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #66

ALCOA! Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #70

nice pic of you LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #71

I know. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #75

You don't. Really LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #80

I did, actually. Posted a link previously. But here's some more that you won't read Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #85

Read your articles. and they didn't prove a thing LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #91

Yup, I was right. Your confirmation bias is QUITE debilitating. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #96

Me too. Your information bias is absolutely astounding. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #98

But there were bipartisan observers at every precinct. longship Jan 2017 #77

So? We aren't talking about many votes...when I asked the guy scanning how I would LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #82

It is all observed!!!!! longship Jan 2017 #87

Not every second is observed!!! LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #92

There are observers in almost all precincts. longship Jan 2017 #97

Rubbish! Absolute rubbish! LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #99

You've got no fucking evidence! longship Jan 2017 #100

You've got no fucking evidence either LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #101

For Christ sakes, one cannot prove a negative!!!!! longship Jan 2017 #104

That one has a problem dumbcat Jan 2017 #111

Sadly, yes. longship Jan 2017 #114

Oh there's a problem allright LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #120

Looks like fake news is not only allowed, but welcome here. cwydro Jan 2017 #157

I'm not OK with it. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #160

I'm with you on that one. cwydro Jan 2017 #163

I certainly think it is too... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #170

see post #136 LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #169

I know, right? These people want to relate that the Russians hacked the voter files LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #167

In my rural Wisconsin precint forthemiddle Jan 2017 #108

and in my suburban Baltimore one, it wasn't. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #121

This is exactly why paper ballots are the devil HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #154

Longship you live in a fantasy world where there are no experts on voting machines you haven't met. Ford_Prefect Jan 2017 #88

Rubbish! Utter rubbish! longship Jan 2017 #93

So you insist that it could not happen nor have any influence over the count anywhere? Ford_Prefect Jan 2017 #107

I made no such claim. longship Jan 2017 #112

Agree. Voting machines can easily be hacked into. The machines that we have in our area don't kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2017 #140

Do you mind if I ask what state you are in? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #142

Internet connectivity not necessarily needed. GregD Jan 2017 #128

then 75K votes were never counted from Detroit and Flint which were probably all Hillary votes. putitinD Jan 2017 #151

That's not hacking. longship Jan 2017 #156

Your entire topic is bullshit jeanmarc Jan 2017 #94

What? moda253 Jan 2017 #13

The machines don't have ports on the outside. All the ports are internal. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #24

State and local electoral board systems were hacked... Per the report uponit7771 Jan 2017 #17

Yes, and I said that. But those are NOT voting machines. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #21

Electoral is worse..They can purge votes ... The voter machines is distraction when there are better uponit7771 Jan 2017 #23

The voting machines weren't hacked. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #25

We have no proof they weren't and there should objectively be no benefit of ... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #27

We have no proof they were. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #40

The Russian infilatration is certainly proof LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #55

Making claims with no proof diminishes you. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #56

making claims with no proof diminshes YOU LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #60

Wait, now I'm mansplaining? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #62

My fucking malfunction is that the voting machines were hacked LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #65

Bull. Fucking. Shit. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #67

Bull. Fucking. Shit. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #69

Your precious post #6 states that state election boards were hacked, which I've already acknowledge. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #73

and yet, still... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #83

Not voting machines, though. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #86

I *get* that you're saying that, but you have no fucking proof LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #122

Try living in Florida and have 100% certainty that people are not screwing around with machines, etc kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2017 #143

LOL, this has to be an act...right? tritsofme Jan 2017 #139

Perhaps you should understand that is where they program the ballots Glitterati Jan 2017 #28

EI my reply that the machines got hacked at a macro level uponit7771 Jan 2017 #31

See Ohio MFM008 Jan 2017 #33

The ODP Chair disagrees with you. brooklynite Jan 2017 #50

"democratic leaders" are clueless and toothless. that's why we keep doing this again and again. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #146

Democratic Leaders (whom I know personally) vs anonymous bloggers...how to choose brooklynite Jan 2017 #164

Hold up! Now if you *KNOW THEM PERSONALLY* but are an anonymous blogger here LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #168

My real name is in my profile... brooklynite Jan 2017 #171

And, again...so? Even if you were a celebrity, again...so? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #177

My point is that I know people who's job is to know politics... brooklynite Jan 2017 #179

I know people too...that is still a fallacy LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #181

Doesn't have to be voting machines. Just purge several thousand Democratic registrations. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #35

I acknowledged that in the state hacks. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #36

Yup! And MI has statewide paper mark sense ballots. longship Jan 2017 #43

Indeed. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #46

was there a statewide hand/eye recount of this paper? oh yeah, NO. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #147

The specific ballot format and details have to be installed on each machine Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #102

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #106

Prove the chain of custody of the Eproms was inviolate.The govt already disclosed vendor was hacked. Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #115

You're the one making the claims, you need to provide the proof. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #116

My argument is that the machines are wide open to tampering, and that is a FACT Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #118

You, like the OP have proved NOTHING aside from you both particpate Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #119

Nope, your confirmation bias precludes you from seeing the facts LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #125

What fucking facts? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #131

So *astounding* this bias of yours. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #133

You're right, I'll stop feeding you. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #136

I am not under a bridge, not am I hungry for your tripe LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #138

you (and everybody else) can't prove they WEREN'T hacked. that you don't think is a problem is scary TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #148

And you (or the OP) can't prove they WERE. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #159

Thank you for this. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #126

This is 100,000,000,000 times worse than the hanging fucking chads. Initech Jan 2017 #127

How are you so certain they were not hacked? GregD Jan 2017 #129

How are you so sure they were? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #130

you are spending an awful lot of energy defending your position GregD Jan 2017 #182

This is the best example of a Conspiracy Theory. Matt_R Jan 2017 #183

Your cogent point flies in the face of his notion LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #189

How do you know there was no hacking? It's impossible to know that. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2017 #132

To say that there was (like the OP) with no evidence is even more ridiculous. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #134

Agreed. A bank/computer expert I know agreed that hacks are either impossible lindysalsagal Jan 2017 #188

Not only hacked... Dreamer3 Jan 2017 #11

One thousand seats? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #12

Yes, 1,000 republican seats nationwide. Dreamer3 Jan 2017 #19

Yeap.... There's no turnover like that unless something's really fucked up uponit7771 Jan 2017 #16

i knew that when we went down. mopinko Jan 2017 #14

Yes!!! The report says they gained access to state and local level machines!!!! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #15

any evidence to support your claim that the voting machines were hacked? bowens43 Jan 2017 #26

More evidence than tRump had for claiming marybourg Jan 2017 #32

Possibly not voting machines. Registrations could have been purged. And then there're the tabulators KittyWampus Jan 2017 #39

None. Just baseless conjecture. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #41

Do you mean other than the fact that voting machines are not connected to the INet? longship Jan 2017 #47

They hacked the voters Dem2 Jan 2017 #29

Yep. Trump's approval is currently 37% and dropping; he lost by ecstatic Jan 2017 #30

That's where this is leading. Putin has more to compromise Trump with than intelligence is yet ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #34

They thought they had gotten away with it in 2012. MoonRiver Jan 2017 #37

You have exactly no evidence to support your claim mythology Jan 2017 #38

Except if a large enough number of people were prevented from voting by being purged beforehand. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #42

The election was Russian rigged. Lint Head Jan 2017 #44

We need a system where you can see KGBot001 Jan 2017 #45

I don't know WTF happened on election day, but I know that SOMETHING did. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #48

my first thought on Nov. 9 early am, too wordpix Jan 2017 #161

Prove it brooklynite Jan 2017 #49

PROVE THEY WEREN'T. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #68

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence brooklynite Jan 2017 #74

which is why you should get on it LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #78

Sorry, but I have to first "prove" god doesn't exist. brooklynite Jan 2017 #89

sigh... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #76

***YAWN*** LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #79

sigh. you're ok with invisible votes; some of us aren't. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #149

PROVE IT. Nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #158

Good grief. Ace Rothstein Jan 2017 #81

Good grief indeed. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #84

Neither side can prove it was or wasn't hacked or there was some cheating somewhere along the kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2017 #144

The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim. linuxman Jan 2017 #174

Back up your claim with proof or stop pretending. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #176

So no then. linuxman Jan 2017 #180

Way too much shit has happened that makes no sense libtodeath Jan 2017 #59

just my hypothetical 2 cents' worth anarch Jan 2017 #72

Were the exit polls hacked too? They sure seemed that they were pretty nuts on. jmg257 Jan 2017 #95

Good point triron Jan 2017 #105

My questions with all this concerns "unadjusted exit polls" jmg257 Jan 2017 #109

Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so. Throd 2.0 Jan 2017 #110

I still think that is why DU went down qanda Jan 2017 #113

We Need To Stop With The Conspiracy Stories ConnorMarc Jan 2017 #123

The OP does not respond to reason. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2017 #137

You promised to go away... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #141

Agree! ananda Jan 2017 #124

Very controlled.... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #135

we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. it's not that hard. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #145

Amen. nt MaeScott Jan 2017 #150

I think the ptb madokie Jan 2017 #152

Not helpful! loyalsister Jan 2017 #155

It's *NOT* helpful, and yet, it is still true. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #165

More productive if it supresses voter turnout? loyalsister Jan 2017 #172

more productive than your suggestion, which is pretend NOTHING happened LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #173

What you see as "pretending nothing happened" loyalsister Jan 2017 #175

Lindsay Graham says that Trump's confirming Russia hacked is a positive dev't wordpix Jan 2017 #162

He did? When? LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #166

There is no evidence that the voting machines were hacked. Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #178

No..it wouldn't mean that... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #185

Have you worked in espionage as well? Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #186

Sure it would. *Impossible*. It *never* happened. It never *could* happen. O-kay LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #187

Nothing less than a full embargo against Russia is acceptable at this point. Initech Jan 2017 #184

absolute kick, because you called this... nt LaydeeBug Feb 2017 #190