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joshcryer

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59. The reference may be broken since that's a handout, here's the proper cite:
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:11 AM
Jun 2012
Globalization has reduced the wages of “unskilled” workers for at least three reasons. First, the steady growth in U.S. trade deficits over the past two decades has eliminated millions of manufacturing jobs and job opportunities in this country. Most displaced workers find jobs in other sectors where wages are much lower, which in turn leads to lower average wages for all U.S. workers. Recent surveys have shown that, even when displaced workers are able to find new jobs in the U.S., they face a reduction in wages, with earnings declining by an average of over 13% (Mishel et al. 2001, 24). These displaced workers’ new jobs are likely to be in the service industry, the source of 99% of net new jobs created in the United States since 1989, and a sector in which average compensation is only 77% of the manufacturing sector’s average (Mishel et al. 2001, 169). This competition also extends to export sectors, where pressures to cut product prices are often intense.


From here: http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/NAFTA@7/nafta-at-7.pdf

This is also of note: http://www.epi.org/publication/briefingpapers_bp147/

Hardly fucking "modest." Even if I have a shit grasp of the English language I know what "modest" means.

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Krugman's Harshest Post Yet [View all] cthulu2016 Jun 2012 OP
Could it be that Ben doesn't want to lose his job if Mitten wins? Mcubed1945 Jun 2012 #1
Perhaps the harshest, but he still stopped short of calling it what it is. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #2
Paul Krugman is unserious, a Firebagger and increasingly irrelevant. MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #3
You are so wise. PufPuf23 Jun 2012 #5
LOL Third way Manny is a hoot. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #6
A few Bwa-ha-has and more :ROTFLMAO:s would add gravitas to your post siligut Jun 2012 #9
I hate to guess where the third-way might lead. Sheesh. Out there. n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #13
Third Way Manny **undoubtedly** loved Paul Krugman's book "Pop Internationalism" Romulox Jun 2012 #14
Krugman was right: NAFTA MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #22
Um, Third Way? Krugman doesn't limit his argument to NAFTA. The whole book is a paean to "free Romulox Jun 2012 #23
Please show me where Krugman says that NAFTA or MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #34
It would not surprise me if he had cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #39
He actually viewed NAFTA as a political move, not economic. joshcryer Jun 2012 #45
PS: Is it "Third Way Manny" or just "Manny" who is speaking in favor of NAFTA, here? Romulox Jun 2012 #24
Only Third-Way Manny would be pro-NAFTA MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #35
22-77% less wages is not "modest." joshcryer Jun 2012 #29
22-77% from NAFTA? MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #33
Yes. joshcryer Jun 2012 #42
There is still a ton of spin coming from NAFTA boosters upi402 Jun 2012 #48
I have to admit my ignorance and possibly being misled on this issue. joshcryer Jun 2012 #51
Your referenced document MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #55
The reference may be broken since that's a handout, here's the proper cite: joshcryer Jun 2012 #59
Your quote seems to agree with what I said MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #60
I don't think it's a "modest" effect, you do. joshcryer Jun 2012 #63
You are quoting statements made in 1996, the NeoLiberal Hayday, bvar22 Jun 2012 #30
Ironically, Ross Perot was the one warning about the "giant sucking sound" SunSeeker Jun 2012 #32
And Ross was 100% correct! bvar22 Jun 2012 #38
"NAFTA caused a modest drop in the incomes low-skilled-workers" - Manny, 2012 joshcryer Jun 2012 #46
One of us has challenges with thr english language MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #53
One of us doesn't consider a massive reduction in wages "modest." joshcryer Jun 2012 #58
Any reduction is terrible. nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #61
But not "modest." I hope we can agree on that. joshcryer Jun 2012 #64
Point taken clang1 Jun 2012 #40
Right! That dang Krugman aims to destroy our carefully crafted stupor of denial. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #20
You should start a column . . . MrTwister Jun 2012 #25
There's a thought. MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #36
DLC Dragonli Agrees with Third-Way Manny. Austerity for prosperity!!!! Dragonfli Jun 2012 #44
Yes, lets beat them to the punch upi402 Jun 2012 #50
LOL! MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #54
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2012 #4
It's obvious that Krugman thinks we are going over a cliff. If so, I'm worried. CTyankee Jun 2012 #7
He sometimes includes things that can be done about it just1voice Jun 2012 #10
Yes, but we aren't going to take his advice curlyred Jun 2012 #52
Krugman isn't the only one... chervilant Jun 2012 #19
Yes, we have been going off the cliff for some years Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #27
+1 n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #41
If we had listend to Krugman back in 2009 bossy22 Jun 2012 #8
I'd run for president with Krugman as my running mate... BlueCheese Jun 2012 #11
You got my vote harun Jun 2012 #16
So what to do? Impeach Bernanke? Otherwise, he does what he wants... nt Romulox Jun 2012 #12
Yes, the Fed is and has been betraying the unemployed for some time. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #15
I think they want higher unemployment to drive labor costs lower harun Jun 2012 #17
If Bernanke knows it... FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #18
Yes, and I am sure he as as frustrated with him as I am. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #31
He is not likely frustrated with a guy he will not fire Dragonfli Jun 2012 #47
Obama won't get a filibuster-proof majority with folks like you doing Karl Rove's work for him. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #62
"centrists" are center right, have been since the nineties (at least), where have you been? Social Dragonfli Jun 2012 #65
So who are you going to vote for in November? SunSeeker Jun 2012 #66
I may not vote at all, I only will vote for right wing OPPOSITION (I will not vote FOR RW policy) Dragonfli Jun 2012 #67
By not voting (and trashing Obama) you are serving the Repukes--and your own destruction. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #68
Nice straw man (Obama and Romney are the same?), nice call out as well Dragonfli Jun 2012 #70
Krugman Needed To Wait One More Day DallasNE Jun 2012 #21
It is a two part argument... cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #28
This story needs an illustration Scootaloo Jun 2012 #26
Austerity has failed everywhere.... WcoastO Jun 2012 #37
Straw man excuse for government play-along upi402 Jun 2012 #43
He's right, Grand Nagus Greenspan was a double agent for the dumbass Austrian Economics crackpots. TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #49
Grand Nagus Greenspan... !!! Fumesucker Jun 2012 #56
Shamelessly forcing Andrea Mitchell to wear clothing! TrollBuster9090 Jun 2012 #57
Krugman is trying to prop up a failed banking system. ozone_man Jun 2012 #69
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